to be absolutely furious about football chief and emails referring to women as 'gash'??

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Sorry if there are other threads about this, couldn't find any.

Richard Scudamore, head of the Premier League, has been merrily sending emails referring to women as 'gash' and 'skinny big-titted broads', 'irrational' and lots of other incendiary misogynist shite.

Oh but he's apologised. That's nice eh, nothing to see here

Apparently he reports to the Premier League Board, which is two people, one of whom is errrrrr Richard Scudamore

AIBU to think an apology is nowhere near enough and he should bloody well resign?

It's been reported that the Premier League's women's officer has been told not to make any comment. Wouldn't want the shiny-suited money-making boys' club to be unnecessarily disturbed by any harpies would we

Anyone for a Premier League boycott next season? (Congrats to Man City by the way) How about we all give our money to the women's game instead

Because gotnotimeforthat sexism like this should surely be just as unacceptable as racism?

Yes, but bringing it into a sexism debate has 2 outcomes:

1. It's a version of Godwin's law, but with racism instead of the nazis

1. It further undermines the validity of rebuking sexist pillocks because it obviously needs something bigger to shore it up, to remind everyone how bad it is.

The fight against sexism doesn't need hyping or shoring up. It needs to be seen to be as bad as, but not the same as, racism. It does not need to be linked to racism in order to be given credence. So we need to stop adding racism to our sentences.... especially us women!

Racism has a lot to do with it. Can you not see that? We crack down on racism but sexism is fine.

OK, lets try another example: the head of an organisation which is receiving millions of pounds to promote gay rights, sends plenty of emails to his colleagues (which also oopsie, go to his gay PA) talking hilariously in a demeaning way about (sorry for the offence) shirt-lifters, bum-bandits, etc, etc.

Do you still think he's the best man for the job?

His poor wife AND kids.

He should be sacked immediately.

However seeing as these kinds of attitudes seem to be prevalent throughout every level of football I'm not holding my breath.

Actually I think the emails contain some racism too. Scudamore uses the phrase 'very clever those Chinese' which is a variant of an expression that is a racial stereotype.

Perhaps in the end he will go down for the racism but not the sexism?

Sorry JohnFarley, but I really do disagree with your first sentence - racism has NOTHING to do with sexism!

Your example is obvious, but still has nothing to do with sexism.

Sexism does not need to be equated with racism to prove how bad it is!

I think he should go down for an abysmal sense of humour.

I mean really. He forwarded this:

“Once upon a time a Prince asked a ­beautiful Princess, “Will you marry me?” The ­Princess said, “No!” And the Prince lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and banged skinny big t**d broads...”

How fucking embarrassing is he?

No racism doesn't need to be added on as a mention to beef it up, but I guess I was trying to comment on how one type if offensive comment should not be any more acceptable than another.

The point is, obviously, that while racism is seen as unacceptable, sexism is permitted. Comparing the two is perfectly valid.

Presumably women refer to him as "dick"?

Sorry, jaggy. I have a thing about sexism needing its hand held.... like it is the 'little woman' of unacceptable behaviour

And JohnFarley, sexism may be permitted in your world, you may have guessed it isn't in mine

I really do find the conflation extremely aggravating.

Actually I think the emails contain some racism too. Scudamore uses the phrase 'very clever those Chinese' which is a variant of an expression that is a racial stereotype

Now that's just petty. I'm sure you can find racism in a lot of things most people say if you look hard enough which you clearly have

He has denied that the emails were sent using his work email - is claiming that it was a private email address which a temporary member of staff accessed without instruction to do so, which is presumably a big factor in why he has avoided a sacking. Now, as Mandy Rice-Davies once said...

Whatever mealy-mouthed apologies he utters won't change the fact that he has exposed his true sexist colours. Misogynistic peabrain.

Thanks. nomama :)

When I got in a rage about a stupid comment made at work I actually just said "you wouldn't say that about a man would you, so shut up"

Rage makes me terribly eloquent.

It was a discussion (which seemed to go on for ages, hence the rage) between several male colleagues about how a woman that they used to know got such a high up job. You can probably guess the suggestions.

I was using racism as an alternative example, because people (rightly) do not accept deriding people because of their ethnic origins. However, deriding people because of their genitalia is seen as somehow less awful.

I don't think this evokes Godwin's Law at all. Racism and sexism are equally unacceptable.

Just read the 'one child policy / very clever those Chinese' remark, which can reasonably be read as a 'joke' about what a pain the ass the women in his family are to him.

His family should sack him off, just for starters.

What a nasty, arrogant, unfeeling heap of shit.

How can you not understand that there is a corollary between sexism and racism? Racism is prejudice based on race and universally decried, with individuals expressing racist views in private being viewed as unsuitable for positions which are public or in which they manage others. Why is a prejudice based on a different bodily and genetic effect considered less serious? When you suggest that people use racism to shore up the impact of sexism, what you actually do is reveal that you personally do not regard sexism as seriously as racism.

This is the whole problem that posters are trying to underscore. Sexism and racism are based on the same error of thought applied in different contexts. If you think one is more acceptable (sexism) you are overlooking this fact because you believe that the differences you perceive in that social group (women) mean that they deserve less status in relation to the others and it is fine to be derogatory toward them as a social group.

This means you are sexist, unfortunately, by which I mean you regard women as a group to have specific qualities that arise out of their femaleness and that those qualities are meaningful for the way you should view their intellectual and social capacities. Being sexist does not mean that you look at a women and feel hate, it means you look at a women and think that you understand her capacities - intellectual, social and emotional - because they are inherent to her gender.

People like Scudamore seem to believe those fundamental qualities can be encapsulated in words like 'gash' which has an element of hatred and disgust in it, as well as inferring that having female genitalia is akin to having a wound; women are damaged people. He may be entitled to think these things but he is unfit to manage others because he necessarily is discriminatory towards 51% of the population, who are not in the objective sense a minority; women's issues are described as minority as a political marker and not as fact. It makes uncomfortable aspects of sexism easy to ignore, like the fact that two women a week are killed by their partners in acts of 'domestic violence' - a cultural form of violence practiced in patriarchal systems.

No one is saying sexism is racism. But if you can't understand that the same thought processes and errors that produce racial prejudice are the same ones that produce sexism, you are not recognising the role of processes, structures and assumption and the way that these produce our perceptions of the social world. You are also ignoring the consequences of sexist attitudes, which are socially and sometimes physically damaging to women in general. Alternatively you may be an idiot.

Oh my god this is just awful. This is someone who manages people, right? Who plans according to their best interests, who strategises and promotes opportunity? Whilst thinking and sharing these abhorrent views?! Disgusting and dinosaurish. Get him out

It is very telling that BennyB hasn't answered to question as to whether he'd like his wife/daughter/mother/female friends referred to as 'gash'. Either he would be happy for this to happen, but realises that admitting that on here would result in instant condemnation, or he would find it very offensive, but can't say that because it would undermine his argument that this is just laddish banter.

I was so disgusted that I emailed the Premier League to say that he should resign. He has shown such contempt for the people who pay his wages.

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OutsSelf Yes, I agree with your argument.

mellicauli Would you care to share that email address, please?

Couldn't agree more, OutsSelf.

outself

This means you are sexist

So nomama and I are sexist because we believe that we should stay on topic instead of making the situation seem worse by comparing it to a bunch of made up 'what it's' about racism.

"making the situation seem worse"??

john probably not the best wording to use. Sorry I'm currently mid BF. but you get my drift.