The death penalty?

[WaywardOn3]

Ok so I was reading this article about a man sentenced to death taking half an hour to die. The state have upped the dose to try to prevent it happening again.

While I'm against having a death penalty his lawyers comments bugged me as him potentially suffering for up to half an hour before death breached his human rights. What about the young pregnant woman's human rights to not be raped and murdered? She must surely have suffered far longer than half an hour and in actual pain/fear for herself and her child not assumed and unconfirmed pain.

AIBU to not care that he may have suffered ever so slightly in his last unconscious half hour?

why the hell should someone who has committed such a crime be kept alive? why should they live the rest of their lives in considerable comfort when their victims suffer horribly?
Because of the myriad reasons as to why said crime was committed, if indeed the guilty party is the party being held, because we are a civilised society, because of the prospect of rehabilitation. Because the death penalty in no way acts as a deterrent.

It's hardly comfort - 23 hour a day solitary confinement. Plus that's a hell of a lot cheaper executing them.

Do people really not care that there can be miscarriages of justice? That innocent people can be killed with the death penalty?

maybe they have been victims themselves, is it not an excuse but it can be and often is the reason why people are cruel to others

considerable comfort their freedom is taken away for many nothing about that is comfortable and if it is something else troubling is going on

what sort of a person would carry out an execution

the idea of rehabiliting a rapist and murderer is a joke.

who are you to decide they should die though Vamp? Why should you be allowed to take a life and it be legal?

and no it's not a joke actually - it's been done - lots - start with The Gracewell Institute and the work of Ray Wyre's team

after all we have seen with the covers up going on in the Met Poilce force with regards to the Stephen Lawrence case some people still trust our police and justice system to always act fairly and within the law

that is worrying

that's maybe one reason for being anti death penalty but when someone IS guilty of the crime, they shouldn't have access to the same 'rights' as humans who don't rape and murder innocent people. the difference between an executioner and a rapist/murderer is huge - on is guilty of putting an evil 'human' to death, the other has fucking brutally murdered an innocent victim, sometimes a child ffs.

well gordy, i'm as entitled as you to have an opinion on the death penalty and i doubt many people would still consider that these people have rights if any of their loved ones fell victim to one of them.

they do not have the same rights

that is why their freedom is taken away and they are in prison what else do you want taken from them

are prison sentences long enough? that is a different argument

what, you think their lifestyles aren't comfortable enough? do they not get to eat, sleep, wash, exercise and even study? yes, not exactly luxurious but better than a murderer deserves.

I am totally opposed to the death sentence however how many people get a totally pain free, non-suffering end to their lives? Very few I would imagine.

do people actually feel sympathy for the man in this case?

how do you know who is a 'victim' here - you are assuming a lot

base your argument on some facts rather than anger

a civilised country treats it's prisoners in a civilised manner - because 'we' are not vengeful and cruel

I don't agree with the death penalty.

If your child hits someone do you punish them by hitting them back? Probably not.

I'm not saying that some people don't deserve it, I'm sure there are many that do but I just don't think it's right, I wonder how many people are sentenced to death that are actually innocent?

Anyway, in answer to op, YABU.

also why do pro state murder people always equate being anti state sanctioned murder with having sympathy for those found guilty of crimes?

I don't feel sympathy I just don't think causing death and suffering works

I think having your freedom taken away is the worse way to live why do you think Ian Brady has wanted to die for so long, ironic when you want to argue that he does not deserve to live

that doesn't apply to all murderers.

do I need to feel sympathy with him to feel that is is wrong

I am not shedding tears over his suffering but I do not feel glad about it I feel it is the wrong way to treat a human

a lot of people have suffered during their lives, most of them don't go on to torture, rape or murder anyone. the closest thing to an 'excuse' is diminished responsibility because of severe mental health issues.

But you can't tar all murderers with the same brush, things just aren't black and white.

Some of the people on death row have had truely dreadful lives, abused, involved in gangs, never had any love or time invested in them - probably stuff has happened to them we can't imagine. Does this excuse them - no of course it doesn't but these things do have 2 sides and we cannot just say they are murderers therefore we must murder them.

It costs more money to execute people than it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives so people saying that why should we pay for them - well we pay more to end their life.

it's a very grey subject indeed, certainly not black and white.

I believe in the death penalty. Do you know why?

Because it's easily avoidable

Just dont kill people

really? It costs more to execute a man at, say, 30 years old than it does to keep him locked up for the next 40 years?

Betty no it's not but in the case of someone who commits premeditated murder, enjoys doing it and covers their tracks because they know it's wrong I can see no reason why they shouldn't die. I also don't believe rehabilitation is generally successful for these people.

www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

Vamp - I totally get what you are saying, I really do, some people are monsters but it does not apply to every case and for me, that is the issue.