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Truffles04 · 20/04/2014 01:29

This is going to be a long one I'm afraid and I apologise in advance for that and if I've posted in the wrong place :)

Me and my partner have some pretty huge differences. A number of disagreements are on parenting (I should also include that I'm stepmum to his 2 daughters - 5 and 7 years old - not their biological mum) and its seriously leaving me questioning whether we're right for each other.

I'm of the opinion that a childs needs should come first, the parents needs 2nd and the child and adult "wants" should be of joint importance depending on what they are. However my partner never ever puts our needs before the kids wants. Example, there was one night he picked a huge argument when I was at work - and I made time for it because it was a make or break situation....yet he just stopped replying and then later told me it was because the eldest had wanted his phone to play games on it. I'm of the opinion he shouldve told her no, not tonight (in fact personally I dont think young kids should be spending that long with a mobile phone due to them not having as thick/dense skulls as ours to protect from possible radiation but they both have had their own mobile since the age of 2, I'm not their biological parent so who am I to argue).

He won't make them do anything they don't want to do. He just allows them to play xbox and watch tv all day. Being quite honest, they have no respect for anything.

I worry about them too because the eldest can't read or write at all (they're "homeschooled"....i use that in quotations as I've never seen any actual useful learning going on unless you count "its the green button" talking about xbox controllers). I feel this is a huge mistake because younger kids tend to learn faster and have a better grasp than kids that start later in life.

The youngest still hadnt had a present I bought her just after christmas because she refused to say thank you. 3 weeks ago I told him I'd give her another month and if she still hadn't said it, I would give it to my cousins daughter so at least someone would get use out of it. 2 weeks ago he gave it to her while I was at work because she asked for it. I was livid. First because we had both agreed she wasn't getting it until she said thank you but also because it wasnt a joint present, it was from me alone and therefore, imo he had no right to make a decision about it without consulting me (I have the kind of job they dont mind friends/family calling providing i still do my job). But this happens quite often with my things. I get treats for us all, him and the girls eat theirs within a day, where I space mine out - or try to.....only once he's ate his own, he eats mine and when I go to get one (usually after looking forward to it all day at work), theres none left. I actually have autistic/ocd tendencies - especially with food and manners. There was a incident in Feb where he helped himself to things I'd been given as xmas presents that I'd specifically asked him not to touch, and he admitted he had done it despite knowing how I would feel about it. To me that just means he doesnt respect my wishes. He kept telling me how I was weird and his friends all think he shouldnt have to ask and I eventually said to him after listening to it a dozen times "I really dont care what your friends think because they didnt belong to them, they were mine and if I wanted you to ask, you shouldve asked". Now everyone I know expects their OH to ask if they want something that was bought specifically for them (I'm not the same way about shared food like potatoes, salad etc), so not sure if its perhaps regional differences although we only grew up 30 or so miles away!

He goes on and on about how he's anti-violence, yet he gets quite violent verbally. Last week he even told me I was being a c* then denied it 5 minutes later (he sent it in a voice clip while I was at home so I definitely wasnt mistaken). Regularly tells me I'm not normal, I'm weird, I'm gullible, I'm stupid etc if my views/opinion doesnt match his.

He regularly makes plans without me and then gets mad at me because I cant/dont want to go along with whatever he planned (like before xmas he made plans with the girls, his uncle, aunt, cousin and cousins partner n kids to go through and see them using my car, but didnt ask me. Then got mad that I had agreed to a shift swap to help a colleague out despite having no clue that he'd made these plans. My response was that perhaps he should try making plans as a couple, that way he has a right to be angry if I back out.

I'm wary as I've been in an abusive relationship in the past. And quite a few things he does strikes me as controlling/abusive. His ex is a neurotic mess thats childlike in her dependency sometimes but I've been trying to figure out if shes that way because of him (he says one thing then a week later will say something that completely contradicts the first, also takes what you say and twists it into something completely different too - not just a misunderstanding), if he's that way (used to making decisions without consulting etc) because of her or whether they're both just a happy coincidence.

I'm not someone who would expect someone to change their parenting to suit me. But i'm not someone who wants to start a family knowing there are going to be huge issues with parenting and the helping himself thing is a issue for me too - although now it more of an issue because he feels its okay to disregard my wishes because he doesnt agree with them. I've tried explaining its not just a case of being disappointed for me due to my issues. I'm sure some of you will be able to understand. I hate unexpected change in general. I'm fine if i have time to bring myself round to the idea with most things (time needed depends on whats changing - cant even change furniture around or i cant sleep) but I dont cope well with things suddenly not being how they should be. Its probably made worse by the fact that I usually try to cope with everything on my own. I feel its my issue so I shouldnt put that burden on someone else. Some of my nearest and dearest dont know the half of it and just think I have a few "quirks", but I told my partner and tried to explain because I wanted to make this work.

Sorry for offloading but I find it easier to express myself and open up with written words than spoken. I also want the opinions of some unbiased people (although my post is obviously biased as its came from me, and he will tell you another story....some of it is just a difference in perception and others will be the jekyll n hyde moments like calling me the c word and denying doing it).

If this jekyll/hyde thing was down to a personality disorder, I could fully understand that and would probably try that bit harder. As it stands, I'm not sure whether it is a mental issue or whether its just his personality.

Personally with regards to the girls, I'd like to spend a few hours a day actually learning stuff. Then if they've been good etc, they can be rewarded with tv/games for a set period of time. They can also start helping around the house (nothing too big, more just to learn them the value of money and earning things rather than actually putting them to labour) in exchange for pocket money. We should have "family" time together - outdoors pref - and also a family meeting regualrly so the girls can contribute and air any grievances. But he should have alone time with them too, just the three of them. I want the girls to succeed in life and be happy, but I can't see that happening if things continue as they are. I understand my OH wants to give them everything, but no one else they meet in life is going to do the same. IMO he's just setting them up for a fall.

Again, sorry for the rambling and jumping back and forth between parenting differences/relationship issues but they're all kind of interlinked. I'm hoping someone can share some views or of their own experience of similar circumstances that might offer me some more clarity. As it stands I've just had a constant headache for weeks trying to think things through!

OP posts:
kelcol · 20/04/2014 18:01

He's selfish and will never change. Run and quickly.

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 18:03

It must be so hard to just stand by and watch car crash parenting though. Especially when you care about the people involved.

I agree there doesn't really seem a future there for you though op. Your values are far too far apart.

Joylin · 20/04/2014 18:45

Parenting with someone who doesn't share your views on how children should be raised will be ridiculously stressful, you'll always be opposing each other. Do you want your future children sitting at home everyday, playing xbox and watching television because they don't feel like going to school? He's a shit parent to the two he already has, that'll never change.

Leave him and stay single until you meet someone who respects you, is kind to you, who you share interests with, who shares a similar outlook on what you both want from life.

I'd also inform the authorities that your poor stepkids are not being educated at all. Homeschooling can be great for children whose parents are highly intelligent, organised and driven to provide them with a high standard of education. Your dh and his ex obviously can't be arsed to do anything with them, a seven year old who hasn't even been taught to read yet, ffs, another couple of years and she'll never be able to catch up with her peers. The only way she'll have a hope from now is if the authorities intervene immediately and give her specialist help.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 20/04/2014 19:57

why not?
Because I don't believe that politeness is instilled by demanding "please" and " thank you" I think they just come because children see ppl around them being polite.
And how harsh are you going to be? What's the cut off?
I think it's very unrealistic to have such rigid rules in a home, especially when no childn actually live there. It just sounds immature and inflexible. And frankly, like the sort of thing someone would say who had experience of being parented in a low warmth- high criticism fashion without much intelligent consideration, and who seems likely to repeat that style.

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 20:10

Mmm I think there may be a tiny correlation between attitudes like yours and the decline in respect and behaviour in schools.

My children learnt as soon as they could talk, that please and thank you were required. Some of that was probably copying our behaviour. It has never been an issue since. They just do it. There is no criticism involved as it is automatic and we are a high warmth household- thanks.

In this family's case, there are no great role models. If the op doesn't step up to the plate and actually teach them manners, who will? It's not helping their future happiness to hope they learn manners through osmosis when they do not see them modelled on a regular basis.

Slackgardener · 20/04/2014 20:25

OP I think this man and you are not compatible. He has a slack and over indulgent approach to parenting but that isn't so unusual, thing is you can't get along with it...you can't get along with him.

This is not a good long term solution for you, you don't seem happy, so I think I am going to tell you to LTB and find someone who respects you and shares your values.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 20/04/2014 20:30

Role models are everything.
My DS says please and thank you and is, on the whole,ma polite little boy. He's only 3. I expect that he'll be polite and I'll remind him to say please and thank you when he forgets.
But I don't "demand" the words and I certainly wouldn't withhold oral fluids from anyone as a sult of not hearing those words.
I use the words please and thank you. That's how my DCs will learn. Not by forcing them into dehydration lest they omit them.
If no one is showing these children how to be thoughtful and polite their "stepmother" even with all the house rules in the world can't hope to "teach" manners to them.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 20/04/2014 20:32

sult = result
Excuse crap spelling. Too flighty with the iPad today.

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 20:46

But you admit that you will remind him. Remember these kids are older than yours. They are going to be a little bit more set in their ways and it is going to be harder to influence them than it is a three year old.

It is not unreasonable to expect a thank you for a present given just after Xmas. It is not unreasonable to take that back if a thank you isn't forthcoming. I should imagine there were a few gentle reminders before it was actually taken away from her.
I presume the op isn't quite as harsh as to expect perfect behaviour at all time, but there is a limit to what is acceptable or not. Her irritation is unlikely to go from 0 to 10 at once.

She does sound as if she has the children's long term interests at heart and she does need to set boundaries. Like all of us she is going to get it wrong sometimes, especially as she hasn't had the benefit of "learning on the job" I think her ideology is generally well thought out. Much better than her dps anyway. These kids are used to doing as they want. They need clear boundaries and consequences.

GarlicAprilShowers · 20/04/2014 21:03

But OP needs clearer boundaries, too. I fear those children must be left to their parents' ministrations, because their father treats OP unpleasantly and she has no 'voice' in his household.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 20/04/2014 21:05

Yes I'll remind him.
But I don't demand anything really. I think it's a rude and po faced way to go through life.
And my point was that I wouldn't withhold a glass of water from anyone just for not saying please. I think that kind of approach is more uptight than I can bring myself to muster.
I'm very keen on politeness. But I'm not bullish. Especially with other ppls children.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 20/04/2014 21:11

I think you need to move this thread to relationships.

Your partner is abusive.

I see a normal caring adult witnessing damaging parenting and feeling the wrongness of it all, and thinking through strategies to fix it. Amid the confusion and frustration of an abusive relationship, which is essentially a one-sided relationship where whatever the dad wants in the moment for an easy life is what goes, sod education theories or long term parenting strategy, or normal care and respect for a partner.

You can't fix this OP. Neither the parenting (sadly), nor the relationship.

Posters who have no experience of abuse will not understand how one gets caught up in immature behaviour in an endless effort to communicate, nor how the terms of everything are controlled by the abusive partner till you can't see the wood for the trees.

I think you need to leave. And consider the Freedom Program if this is your second abusive relationship.

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 21:15

We did get side tracked but I've already said up thread they haven't got a future together as their values are too far apart. He has no respect for her and she definitely needs to ltb.

cheerfulweather · 20/04/2014 21:19

OP sounds emotionally abusive towards the children. I think that needs addressing, too. Or is the concern just for the OP

I'd be worried if the girls picked on her opinions of them or, as somebody said upthread, overheard the arguments about them.

The OP has no place to 'step up to the plate and teach them manners' shewhowines. She doesn't live with them at all as I think has already been mentioned, and the relationship with the children's father sounds very dubious

almondcakes · 20/04/2014 22:40

Shewhowines, it concerns me that this becomes nice cop nasty cop. The OP seems to be saying that the kids are not polite, don't say thanks etc. It was them agreed between her and the father that her present was going to be the one the issue was made over and that she would keep it from the five year old. He then went back on it. He could have chosen any other gift or item from himself, but he chose one from the OP to make this example. I think what the child is learning is that the OP is the person who takes things away. No consistent lesson about manners is happening because it is being done only with regard to the OP's gifts,treats etc. As the OP is the newer family member coming in and needing to establish love and trust, the person being strict with the children should be the established parents. Any manners teaching by the OP is being eclipsed by her being used as the harsher parent in dealing with the child. It reminds me of the stepfather in the Way, Way Back, leaping in every time the stepson doesn't clear a plate or carry a cooler. It just creates anxiety and distrust.

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 22:44

Yes I agree, she is never going to get anywhere without the back up of dp, that's why the relationship is doomed. Her heart is in the right place. It is just unworkable.

Truffles04 · 21/04/2014 00:37

Almondcakes, i didnt take the present away, OH did (think I mentioned that in an earlier post somewhere).

And cheerfulweather, we don't argue when the kids are there so no, they havent overheard arguments and nor do I have any ill feeling towards them at all. I'm very fond of both of them although I'm definitely closer to the eldest.

No idea where this withholding water thing has come from either. I was never given anything without saying please and thank you and I've never had food or water withheld from me.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge, its why I havent responded to certain comments. Its been over 10 years since my first abusive one, and I am definitely reacting different to this one, but I think I've also definitely gave him more time/chance than I should have in the hopes that it was just a "one off"

OP posts:
bunchoffives · 21/04/2014 01:05

I think you definitely have given this relationship more time than you should have too, OP.

Are you dreading breaking up and finding it hard to let go? What's keeping you still involved. Your previous experience will have taught you that you can never win with an emotional abuser. And they will never change.

Surely it's time to bring this to an end?

ilovesooty · 21/04/2014 01:14

Doesn't sound like a "one off" to me. I think I'd ditch this relationship to be honest.

Troglodad · 21/04/2014 01:42

If you genuinely are AS you may be unaware of how your actions are perceived so please don't take this as an unpleasant comment or harsh critticism BUT just in case, I would re-examine the present thing - in a family home I can understand treats going astray chaotically, and I can see most of us taking a unilateral decision that the child will be given the present now, from your description of events.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 21/04/2014 06:58

It's hard not to be distracted by the children's issues here. Because they would be at the forefront of any concern of mine tbh.
But if one looks at it just from Truffles perspective then it looks like this relationship is unhealthy doesn't it?
The DP sounds manipulative and verbally abusive and Truffles is grasping for meaning and excuses in her own personality (about struggling with change) and his (maybe she should try hard if he has a psonaloty disorder)
Well, no. You don't need to try harder. Trying harder or giving his more slack is not in your best I test IMHO.
If were my sister/ best friend I'd be wanting you out of this relationship before you wasted any more time on it and before you're sucked further into the damaging parenting of these poor children.
Run and don't look back.

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