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Truffles04 · 20/04/2014 01:29

This is going to be a long one I'm afraid and I apologise in advance for that and if I've posted in the wrong place :)

Me and my partner have some pretty huge differences. A number of disagreements are on parenting (I should also include that I'm stepmum to his 2 daughters - 5 and 7 years old - not their biological mum) and its seriously leaving me questioning whether we're right for each other.

I'm of the opinion that a childs needs should come first, the parents needs 2nd and the child and adult "wants" should be of joint importance depending on what they are. However my partner never ever puts our needs before the kids wants. Example, there was one night he picked a huge argument when I was at work - and I made time for it because it was a make or break situation....yet he just stopped replying and then later told me it was because the eldest had wanted his phone to play games on it. I'm of the opinion he shouldve told her no, not tonight (in fact personally I dont think young kids should be spending that long with a mobile phone due to them not having as thick/dense skulls as ours to protect from possible radiation but they both have had their own mobile since the age of 2, I'm not their biological parent so who am I to argue).

He won't make them do anything they don't want to do. He just allows them to play xbox and watch tv all day. Being quite honest, they have no respect for anything.

I worry about them too because the eldest can't read or write at all (they're "homeschooled"....i use that in quotations as I've never seen any actual useful learning going on unless you count "its the green button" talking about xbox controllers). I feel this is a huge mistake because younger kids tend to learn faster and have a better grasp than kids that start later in life.

The youngest still hadnt had a present I bought her just after christmas because she refused to say thank you. 3 weeks ago I told him I'd give her another month and if she still hadn't said it, I would give it to my cousins daughter so at least someone would get use out of it. 2 weeks ago he gave it to her while I was at work because she asked for it. I was livid. First because we had both agreed she wasn't getting it until she said thank you but also because it wasnt a joint present, it was from me alone and therefore, imo he had no right to make a decision about it without consulting me (I have the kind of job they dont mind friends/family calling providing i still do my job). But this happens quite often with my things. I get treats for us all, him and the girls eat theirs within a day, where I space mine out - or try to.....only once he's ate his own, he eats mine and when I go to get one (usually after looking forward to it all day at work), theres none left. I actually have autistic/ocd tendencies - especially with food and manners. There was a incident in Feb where he helped himself to things I'd been given as xmas presents that I'd specifically asked him not to touch, and he admitted he had done it despite knowing how I would feel about it. To me that just means he doesnt respect my wishes. He kept telling me how I was weird and his friends all think he shouldnt have to ask and I eventually said to him after listening to it a dozen times "I really dont care what your friends think because they didnt belong to them, they were mine and if I wanted you to ask, you shouldve asked". Now everyone I know expects their OH to ask if they want something that was bought specifically for them (I'm not the same way about shared food like potatoes, salad etc), so not sure if its perhaps regional differences although we only grew up 30 or so miles away!

He goes on and on about how he's anti-violence, yet he gets quite violent verbally. Last week he even told me I was being a c* then denied it 5 minutes later (he sent it in a voice clip while I was at home so I definitely wasnt mistaken). Regularly tells me I'm not normal, I'm weird, I'm gullible, I'm stupid etc if my views/opinion doesnt match his.

He regularly makes plans without me and then gets mad at me because I cant/dont want to go along with whatever he planned (like before xmas he made plans with the girls, his uncle, aunt, cousin and cousins partner n kids to go through and see them using my car, but didnt ask me. Then got mad that I had agreed to a shift swap to help a colleague out despite having no clue that he'd made these plans. My response was that perhaps he should try making plans as a couple, that way he has a right to be angry if I back out.

I'm wary as I've been in an abusive relationship in the past. And quite a few things he does strikes me as controlling/abusive. His ex is a neurotic mess thats childlike in her dependency sometimes but I've been trying to figure out if shes that way because of him (he says one thing then a week later will say something that completely contradicts the first, also takes what you say and twists it into something completely different too - not just a misunderstanding), if he's that way (used to making decisions without consulting etc) because of her or whether they're both just a happy coincidence.

I'm not someone who would expect someone to change their parenting to suit me. But i'm not someone who wants to start a family knowing there are going to be huge issues with parenting and the helping himself thing is a issue for me too - although now it more of an issue because he feels its okay to disregard my wishes because he doesnt agree with them. I've tried explaining its not just a case of being disappointed for me due to my issues. I'm sure some of you will be able to understand. I hate unexpected change in general. I'm fine if i have time to bring myself round to the idea with most things (time needed depends on whats changing - cant even change furniture around or i cant sleep) but I dont cope well with things suddenly not being how they should be. Its probably made worse by the fact that I usually try to cope with everything on my own. I feel its my issue so I shouldnt put that burden on someone else. Some of my nearest and dearest dont know the half of it and just think I have a few "quirks", but I told my partner and tried to explain because I wanted to make this work.

Sorry for offloading but I find it easier to express myself and open up with written words than spoken. I also want the opinions of some unbiased people (although my post is obviously biased as its came from me, and he will tell you another story....some of it is just a difference in perception and others will be the jekyll n hyde moments like calling me the c word and denying doing it).

If this jekyll/hyde thing was down to a personality disorder, I could fully understand that and would probably try that bit harder. As it stands, I'm not sure whether it is a mental issue or whether its just his personality.

Personally with regards to the girls, I'd like to spend a few hours a day actually learning stuff. Then if they've been good etc, they can be rewarded with tv/games for a set period of time. They can also start helping around the house (nothing too big, more just to learn them the value of money and earning things rather than actually putting them to labour) in exchange for pocket money. We should have "family" time together - outdoors pref - and also a family meeting regualrly so the girls can contribute and air any grievances. But he should have alone time with them too, just the three of them. I want the girls to succeed in life and be happy, but I can't see that happening if things continue as they are. I understand my OH wants to give them everything, but no one else they meet in life is going to do the same. IMO he's just setting them up for a fall.

Again, sorry for the rambling and jumping back and forth between parenting differences/relationship issues but they're all kind of interlinked. I'm hoping someone can share some views or of their own experience of similar circumstances that might offer me some more clarity. As it stands I've just had a constant headache for weeks trying to think things through!

OP posts:
TickleMyTitsTillFriday · 20/04/2014 10:15

They're breaking the law by not providing their children with an education. The kids not reading is awful.

TickleMyTitsTillFriday · 20/04/2014 10:15

I forgot to add my LTB

Ledkr · 20/04/2014 10:35

He sounds like a twat and he is being emotionally abusive but after being together a year I would not say you are the children's stepmum you are their dad's partner.
I'd go mental if my ex,s gf thought they were my dc step parent after a year.

YouTheCat · 20/04/2014 10:42

Leave him and don't look back.

Floralnomad · 20/04/2014 10:43

You no longer live together ,therefore IMO you are not their step mum . I seriously can't understand why you still bothering with this 'relationship', just move on and find somebody that you are more compatible with ( if you can) .

BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 20/04/2014 10:43

Tch!

Abusive not anusive!

Education not whatever that nonsense word was!

BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 20/04/2014 10:47

Ledkr you are completely right, but it sounds as if it's the OP who has backed off from all that whereas the dad would happily have married her by now! Sounds to me as if OP's comments on 'what the kids should be doing' aren't so much trying to wade in as step parent, but simply asking eg that her own possessions be respected. It's not happened so she's moved out. Sounds to me as if OP is the one who has the right idea.

HolidayCriminal · 20/04/2014 10:55

"It would be standard here that if your kids dont thank people they're unlikely to get anything and would be viewed as ungrateful little brats."

Your expectations in this area are getting my back up, OP. Someone picked on DS yesterday for not saying please and I just felt like saying "His problems are so much bigger than whether he manages to say please or thank you."

If you don't ever have kids together then you could maybe learn to have a hands-off approach to how he raises his kids. But I don't know if I could live like that, either. He's a bit extreme, but then so is OP. Maybe they are suited to each other.

melissandra · 20/04/2014 11:03

It sounds immature. The arguing by text message (are you a teenager?). Wanting a say in parenting when you don't live with your boyfriend and his children.

If you think they're not being provided with an education then report them to the LA. But you couldn't even tell me what their learning philosophy was and seem to be going by what you have gleaned from your visits to their house, where they live part of the time.

I'd go so far as to say it doesn't sound like a proper relationship at all. I'd back off from them; I'd pity the poor children if you were allowed to carry out your discipline on them. Again, I don't know why you're asking for opinions. It's all pretty plain, and I can see nothing positive in this situation.

withextradinosaurs · 20/04/2014 11:12

He made plans relying on the use of your car but didn't bother to check with you first.

He helped himself to your stuff knowing it would upset you

I would call this an abusive situation. Time to go.

IrrelevantSquirrel · 20/04/2014 11:20

He sounds very selfish and seems to take you for granted. I can't see your partner or the situation changing from what you've described. Aren't you better off leaving now?

almondcakes · 20/04/2014 11:28

I really do not get the bit with the present, or even how it happened.
A: I have bought you a present.
B: (long pause)
A: Right, you are not having them because you didn't say thanks.

I just don't get it. Who expects to be thanked for a gift they didn't give?

If somebody was giving me gifts as some form of behaviour modification, I would not want it. They are kids not dogs, and Christmas is not a thing that gets withdrawn over manners.

The while situation is odd. His behaviour is wrong. Yours make no sense. Either you are home educating them, in which case you should be communicating withthe mother. If you are not educating them, this is not your concern. As for airing grievances at a family meeting; they are five!

Children say thanks because it is a kind thing to say it. You learn love and kindness by being shown it.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 20/04/2014 11:45

The bigger issue here (for me) is that these children's neds are not being met.
The lack of education is serious.
The present/ thank you episode is odd and makes me feel uncomfortable tbh.
I would advise very strongly against ongoing involvement with this family. And definitely not to have DCs with this man
I would also consider involving the la regarding the withholding of education for these children.

SylvanMuldoon · 20/04/2014 11:54

You would have had very different responses if you had posted this in Relationships OP.

You sound like a lovely person and if you stay with this man he will drag you down and his abuse will get even worse. It is NEVER acceptable to call you horrible names and when he is doing and saying stuff then denying it, it's called 'gaslighting'. It is an abusive tactic and is designed to make you question and doubt yourself.

There is no saving a relationship when someone behaves as your 'partner' is behaving and I suggest you cut your losses and get out asap. You can do far better than this.

melissandra · 20/04/2014 12:03

How does she sound like a lovely person, Sylvan? I mean, she may well be but it doesn't come across to me through her posts.

I think she'd have got less soft soap treatment had she posted in relationships/

SilverDragonfly1 · 20/04/2014 12:04

Really can't see anything in your post that is 'too strict'. Some of the responses suggesting otherwise are rather telling... Agree with PP that you are far too good for this man! I feel sorry for the children, but you're not going to be 'allowed' to do them any good by him.

Break up, find someone nice and have your own well educated, well behaved and lovely children (not being sarcastic).

Only1scoop · 20/04/2014 12:06

Don't really understand the child being given the phone to play with....that made you angry as you couldn't contact him. Also angry because you feel the dc shouldn't play with phone very often?

You both do sound a little immature and very incompatible as a couple in a family dynamic.

SilverDragonfly1 · 20/04/2014 12:07

She wants the children to be able to cope in the real world- for example by having an education and being able to understand and cope with rules and structure. She obviously genuinely cares about them, even though she isn't a biological or, strictly speaking, a step parent. Don't see what's not lovely about that.

melissandra · 20/04/2014 12:11

Lovely?

She doesn't live with them, and they stay with their father only half of the time. The gift situation was just odd, frankly, and borderline abusive to the child concerned.

She doesn't know anything about their education; couldn't tell me what their educational philosophy was (shouldn't she know if supposedly in a relationship with the father).

In any case, it all sounds rather toxic

Morloth · 20/04/2014 12:17

Just walk.

The whole situation certainly sounds like approblem, but it doesn't have to be your problem.

Truffles04 · 20/04/2014 12:30

Almondcakes, she'd already had her christmas presents from me, this was after christmas. I understand not everyone agrees on that but as I explained, its the norm here. You don't say thanks and your parent will take it off you and give it back to the person who gave you it. Here you wont even get a glass of water unless you say please and thank you!

Melissandra, you already mentioned the text thing. You're making assumptions and coming up wrong although my posts do seem to have put you on the defensive as if i was talking about you personally so perhaps that jaded your view. I've already told you the philosophy, its what the kids want and they dont want to do anything much except tv and games.

Ledkr, OH expects me to intervene when the girls were fighting, tidy up after them, make their meals, sit with them as they play games and look after them while he goes out....I was in that type of role description wise.

Antimatter yes neither parent works but not because of the girls education. He got fed up of working in the corporate world, their mum has only worked 6 months in the last 20 years (so he says anyway) as she doesnt like working and finds it stressful.

Chantico, what I meant by that sentence is that I'm fully aware all couples go through a honeymoon phase where they're head over heels. I'm looking to be with someone at least a few years before we even plan kids, to give us time to discuss things like parenting etc to see if we're at least on the same book. I think couples need to agree on major stuff and the rest they can both compromise on. But you're right, I am more over to the "this is never going to work" than the "hmmm it could work".

Yes he does have his good points or I would've broken up with him ages ago. He can be very kind at times, he's funny and well, without beating around the bush, theres no problems in the bedroom department, quite the opposite.

OP posts:
melissandra · 20/04/2014 12:43

"I've already told you the philosophy, its what the kids want"

That's not a 'proper' answer. Child-led, autonomous education perhaps? I think you'd be flamed by any MN home ed. people if they saw your ignorant comments (based on little knowledge) on this subject.

"my posts do seem to have put you on the defensive as if i was talking about you personally so perhaps that jaded your view"

Not in the least. I can assure you that my personal life in no way resembles yours or your 'boyfriend's' The idea is laughable.

It only rankled that it's all so silly. Your behaviour sounds very immature (yes, the text message arguments Grin ), with unrealistic expectations. And wanting a hand in discipline with children whose father you do not even live with and don't seem in a proper relationship with..

clam · 20/04/2014 12:55

I'd be out of there like a shot.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I couldn't stand by and watch poor behaviour (by kids) being condoned and encouraged. Not to mention being dis-respected by someone who was supposed to love me.

The whole thing sounds like a bit of a car-crash. Get out now, while you can.

GarlicAprilShowers · 20/04/2014 13:03

Truffles, all abusers have their good points. They can be funny and kind. How else would they trap and keep their targets? It's also very normal for certain types of abuser to be great in bed - it gives them power.

Have a look at this: www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/abusers.html

Floralnomad · 20/04/2014 13:07

Blimey OP ,you do sound a bit OTT about the please and thank yous.

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