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Truffles04 · 20/04/2014 01:29

This is going to be a long one I'm afraid and I apologise in advance for that and if I've posted in the wrong place :)

Me and my partner have some pretty huge differences. A number of disagreements are on parenting (I should also include that I'm stepmum to his 2 daughters - 5 and 7 years old - not their biological mum) and its seriously leaving me questioning whether we're right for each other.

I'm of the opinion that a childs needs should come first, the parents needs 2nd and the child and adult "wants" should be of joint importance depending on what they are. However my partner never ever puts our needs before the kids wants. Example, there was one night he picked a huge argument when I was at work - and I made time for it because it was a make or break situation....yet he just stopped replying and then later told me it was because the eldest had wanted his phone to play games on it. I'm of the opinion he shouldve told her no, not tonight (in fact personally I dont think young kids should be spending that long with a mobile phone due to them not having as thick/dense skulls as ours to protect from possible radiation but they both have had their own mobile since the age of 2, I'm not their biological parent so who am I to argue).

He won't make them do anything they don't want to do. He just allows them to play xbox and watch tv all day. Being quite honest, they have no respect for anything.

I worry about them too because the eldest can't read or write at all (they're "homeschooled"....i use that in quotations as I've never seen any actual useful learning going on unless you count "its the green button" talking about xbox controllers). I feel this is a huge mistake because younger kids tend to learn faster and have a better grasp than kids that start later in life.

The youngest still hadnt had a present I bought her just after christmas because she refused to say thank you. 3 weeks ago I told him I'd give her another month and if she still hadn't said it, I would give it to my cousins daughter so at least someone would get use out of it. 2 weeks ago he gave it to her while I was at work because she asked for it. I was livid. First because we had both agreed she wasn't getting it until she said thank you but also because it wasnt a joint present, it was from me alone and therefore, imo he had no right to make a decision about it without consulting me (I have the kind of job they dont mind friends/family calling providing i still do my job). But this happens quite often with my things. I get treats for us all, him and the girls eat theirs within a day, where I space mine out - or try to.....only once he's ate his own, he eats mine and when I go to get one (usually after looking forward to it all day at work), theres none left. I actually have autistic/ocd tendencies - especially with food and manners. There was a incident in Feb where he helped himself to things I'd been given as xmas presents that I'd specifically asked him not to touch, and he admitted he had done it despite knowing how I would feel about it. To me that just means he doesnt respect my wishes. He kept telling me how I was weird and his friends all think he shouldnt have to ask and I eventually said to him after listening to it a dozen times "I really dont care what your friends think because they didnt belong to them, they were mine and if I wanted you to ask, you shouldve asked". Now everyone I know expects their OH to ask if they want something that was bought specifically for them (I'm not the same way about shared food like potatoes, salad etc), so not sure if its perhaps regional differences although we only grew up 30 or so miles away!

He goes on and on about how he's anti-violence, yet he gets quite violent verbally. Last week he even told me I was being a c* then denied it 5 minutes later (he sent it in a voice clip while I was at home so I definitely wasnt mistaken). Regularly tells me I'm not normal, I'm weird, I'm gullible, I'm stupid etc if my views/opinion doesnt match his.

He regularly makes plans without me and then gets mad at me because I cant/dont want to go along with whatever he planned (like before xmas he made plans with the girls, his uncle, aunt, cousin and cousins partner n kids to go through and see them using my car, but didnt ask me. Then got mad that I had agreed to a shift swap to help a colleague out despite having no clue that he'd made these plans. My response was that perhaps he should try making plans as a couple, that way he has a right to be angry if I back out.

I'm wary as I've been in an abusive relationship in the past. And quite a few things he does strikes me as controlling/abusive. His ex is a neurotic mess thats childlike in her dependency sometimes but I've been trying to figure out if shes that way because of him (he says one thing then a week later will say something that completely contradicts the first, also takes what you say and twists it into something completely different too - not just a misunderstanding), if he's that way (used to making decisions without consulting etc) because of her or whether they're both just a happy coincidence.

I'm not someone who would expect someone to change their parenting to suit me. But i'm not someone who wants to start a family knowing there are going to be huge issues with parenting and the helping himself thing is a issue for me too - although now it more of an issue because he feels its okay to disregard my wishes because he doesnt agree with them. I've tried explaining its not just a case of being disappointed for me due to my issues. I'm sure some of you will be able to understand. I hate unexpected change in general. I'm fine if i have time to bring myself round to the idea with most things (time needed depends on whats changing - cant even change furniture around or i cant sleep) but I dont cope well with things suddenly not being how they should be. Its probably made worse by the fact that I usually try to cope with everything on my own. I feel its my issue so I shouldnt put that burden on someone else. Some of my nearest and dearest dont know the half of it and just think I have a few "quirks", but I told my partner and tried to explain because I wanted to make this work.

Sorry for offloading but I find it easier to express myself and open up with written words than spoken. I also want the opinions of some unbiased people (although my post is obviously biased as its came from me, and he will tell you another story....some of it is just a difference in perception and others will be the jekyll n hyde moments like calling me the c word and denying doing it).

If this jekyll/hyde thing was down to a personality disorder, I could fully understand that and would probably try that bit harder. As it stands, I'm not sure whether it is a mental issue or whether its just his personality.

Personally with regards to the girls, I'd like to spend a few hours a day actually learning stuff. Then if they've been good etc, they can be rewarded with tv/games for a set period of time. They can also start helping around the house (nothing too big, more just to learn them the value of money and earning things rather than actually putting them to labour) in exchange for pocket money. We should have "family" time together - outdoors pref - and also a family meeting regualrly so the girls can contribute and air any grievances. But he should have alone time with them too, just the three of them. I want the girls to succeed in life and be happy, but I can't see that happening if things continue as they are. I understand my OH wants to give them everything, but no one else they meet in life is going to do the same. IMO he's just setting them up for a fall.

Again, sorry for the rambling and jumping back and forth between parenting differences/relationship issues but they're all kind of interlinked. I'm hoping someone can share some views or of their own experience of similar circumstances that might offer me some more clarity. As it stands I've just had a constant headache for weeks trying to think things through!

OP posts:
Truffles04 · 20/04/2014 13:14

Melissandra....you still don't understand. That is how unorganised it is. You keep expecting an answer based on how things are done in the home educating world and what I'm trying to say is that they do not follow any official method/program. It is not a case of okay kids want to go to the beach, great time to teach them about the ocean etc while we're there. The very fact they call it homeschooling when you say the proper term is home education should have given you at least an inkling as surely anyone involved in it would know it should be education and not schooled?

I didnt mean your personal life, I meant the home education stuff. You seem to be very defensive about to it the point that it has tainted your views on what I'm trying to explain.

Whats your purpose for repeating yourself with the texting/immature comments btw? The first time was your opinion, fair enough. But what about the 2nd and 3rd time?

OP posts:
melissandra · 20/04/2014 13:28

Defensive about home education? No, you're quite wrong. Why would I be? I've already said that your situation bears no resemblance to my own, and that includes home ed. And If I were a home educator I'd, personally, choose a structured approach. I've also said you should 'report' to LA if you think they're genuinely not receiving an education. Not necessarily to get them into trouble. It may be the case an adequate education is being provided, or they may be asked to make changes.

You sound immature and unrealistic in your expectations, and the text message situation was ridiculous (I can repeat these assertions if I wish). You sound controlling towards the children and OTT as regards discipline (and petty and silly). I don't think you could bring anything positive to the set up.

GarlicAprilShowers · 20/04/2014 13:59

Truffles, you're getting bogged down in other posters' interpretations of what you write. It seems symptomatic of what's going on in your relationship - trying to control details, rather than stepping back to look at the bigger picture.

You only get one life. You're currently spending a chunk of yours in a constant struggle to [a] impose order on the chaos of a dysfunctional family, and [b] transform a selfish, disrespectful man into an equal, compassionate partner.

Is this wise?

hamptoncourt · 20/04/2014 14:29

I am very confused reading these posts OP.

You do not live with this man. He has his DC 50% of the time.

Does he work?

Who is "home schooling" them when they are not with their DM?

I think you should run a mile from this idiot.

Truffles04 · 20/04/2014 15:02

Thanks GarlicAprilShowers, hadnt heard of that website before.

I did actually break up with him a few weeks ago. He gave me an ultimatum and then got mad I didnt make the "correct" choice (ie the one he wants me to make). But then when I said fine, lets break up, he changes his tune and does a u-turn on what he was saying previously.

And Melissandra, since you seem so sure that it was my choice. My choice would be to discuss things face to face. And I asked to do so on that day, but was met with a "no, we're discussing it now". Seemed pointless to start a argument over when to discuss things.

OP posts:
melissandra · 20/04/2014 15:13

What choice? Did I mention choices somewhere? Are you talking about the text messages, seriously? This is all too silly for words. Agree with whoever said that you need to look at the bigger picture.

You're not likely to get any straight answers, Hampton.

almondcakes · 20/04/2014 15:17

Where do you live OP?

I can't see any reason for you to stay in this relationship.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 20/04/2014 15:22

you won't even get a glass of water unless you say please and thank you
really? Do you appreciate that sounds abusive?

hamptoncourt · 20/04/2014 15:24

AH, I have re read the posts and I had missed some info.

Neither parent works.

DP has a Cock Of Gold.

GarlicAprilShowers · 20/04/2014 15:34

Almond, OP has already replied to you that the insistence on manners is normal where she lives. I don't know whether she's correct on that, but it's unfair to keep heckling her about it.

almondcakes · 20/04/2014 15:45

I was actually asking because I was wondering about the HE and the child's reading!

GarlicAprilShowers · 20/04/2014 16:17

Yes, I'm sorry. I mixed your post up with AmandaClarke's.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 20/04/2014 16:21
Confused Ought I to be answering something?
shewhowines · 20/04/2014 16:35

I think everything you have said sounds like common sense and good parenting. Have faith in yourself.

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 16:38

See the thread in aibu there is a difference between loving a child and being a good parent. Sorry can't link.

GarlicAprilShowers · 20/04/2014 16:39

Amanda, I was just saying the please-and-thanks thing can't be called abusive in an environment where politeness is mandatory.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't get a glass of water for someone who just told me to, either.

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 16:41

I wouldn't either

TheRealAmandaClarke · 20/04/2014 16:50

I wouldn't withhold a glass of water from a child who didnt say please.

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 16:55

Why not? How can demanding politeness be seen as abusive as you mentioned up thread?
I have always demanded basic manners. How else do they learn?

shewhowines · 20/04/2014 16:56

I wouldn't get water for an adult either unless they said please.

almondcakes · 20/04/2014 17:07

I don't recall demanding basic manners. I can't remember how mine started saying please and thank you, but they do. Because they see others doing it I suppose?

The main point is that the OP is dating a controlling andmanipulative person whose child rearing methods are at odds with hers.

Her response to this should surely be to leave.

The attitude to the kids feels odd because a SP would have a focus of building a good and loving relationship with young kids they live with. The focus here seems to be about modifying the kids' behaviour, but that all seems to be primarily about the dad and his responses.

I think the OP is trying to sort out a situation that cannot be sorted out.

cheerfulweather · 20/04/2014 17:13

They're five and seven years old!

We all expect manners, and I'm very particular about manners, but isn't this more extreme?

Has designated treats for each person and gets cross when the children (5 and 7) and their father eat any belonging to her as she manages to make her treats last over days and they don't.

Not saying thank you, in advance, for a gift. So not receiving it.

Wanting the children to do chores for money. The 5 year old?

Taking things off them if they forget to say thank you. Including drinks.

And you don't like change but want others to make changes

You and your OH sound as controlling and emotionally abusive as each other. I'd tell you to bow out of their lives but suspect you won't

RedNosedClone · 20/04/2014 17:56

Sorry, OP, but this relationship will never work as you and your DP are way too different.

I honestly can't understand what you are doing with him. It sounds as though he doesn't respect you, constantly undermines you, and is a lousy partner and incompetent father.

You need structure and rules in your life, he seems incapable of respecting either.

He sounds very immature and manipulative. He doesn't work ("fed up" of it) nor does he educate his DDs or even instill manners in them - this would require effort, so it's easier to let them do what they want. He is storing up huge problems for the future. Another five years of this and they will be totally unmanageable.

While this is tragic for the girls, there is nothing you can do about it as they are not your children, and unfortunately their mother doesn't sound any better than their father. Life with them is going to get worse as they grow, and as your DP seems to treat you with scorn, I can't find one reason to justify you continuing to provide childcare (and perhaps financial support as you are the only one who works?) for this waster.

You deserve more.

LTB

atos35 · 20/04/2014 17:59

I really think that after only a year and not living together you should not be getting involved in the bringing up of these children and I say that as someone who has been with my partner who has a daughter from a previous relationship for ten years. You can be loving and supportive and provide an 'aunt' kind of relationship with them but they already have two parents and it is up to them how they bring their girls up. It doesn't sound like you can find much to like about your partner or his children so maybe you should leave. The girls will pick up in how you feel about them and quite possibly have already overheard some of your arguments about them. This is not a healthy situation for any of you.

MostWicked · 20/04/2014 18:01

I have always demanded basic manners

Surely demanding anything is in itself, rude?
I teach my children basic manners. I teach them to say please and thank you. I have never, and will never, demand a please, thank you or a sorry, because it then becomes meaningless.

OP, everything about your situation and your description of it, sounds very, very wrong. It's not a good relationship for you to be in. I can't say I feel positive towards either of your parenting styles TBH. An inconsistent mixture or harsh and indulgent.