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To not want to be the minority where I live?

734 replies

Charlottehines · 12/04/2014 09:18

It really saddens me that in parks and soft plays with my children, that I am in the minority and my children can't play with other children there as they all play together and obviously can't speak English.
I'm in no way racist, my husband is of mixed origin but I do find it incredibly sad that my children are growing up the minority especially when these other groups make no effort to integrate with other mums or the children.
Am I completely unreasonable to feel sad about this?

OP posts:
Dawndonnaagain · 18/04/2014 21:45

Oh I love it. Morrison, a towering literary giant, an American black woman used to illustrate a non existent point by a racist.
Fabulous!

Dawndonnaagain · 18/04/2014 21:48

She's also a Nobel winner.

Dawndonnaagain · 18/04/2014 21:52

Now, a discussion on intertextuality could be quite interesting. Shall we start with Homer/Homer?

Leftwingechochamber · 18/04/2014 21:55

Oh and now you are saying that the reason you refuse to provide url to substantiate anything you have said is because I didnt ask politely at the outset. Because clearly you are one to talk when your first post to me, written before I had ever addressed you, said my source was shit and that I was misrepresenting it (I wasnt).

Its also a stupid argument to make because you said several days ago that you were not posting for my benefit, but rather so that people stumbling on this thread werent misinformed. That being the case, even if I was the most obnoxious arsehole you had ever encountered on the internet, you would still be eager to prove me wrong, because you arent writing for my benefit, but rather writing to combat racism and bigotry.

The issue, as you and I both know, is that you have no idea what the contents of the sources you have referred to, only by the name of the authors and in some cases the date they were published, are. You have simply copied and pasted the references from someone else's writing. Consequently, you couldnt direct me to the relevant passages of the sources in question, because you have no idea what they say.

Leftwingechochamber · 18/04/2014 21:57

Dawn, apparently you completely missed the point of me copying and pasting the first bibliography I found.

But that should hardly come as a surprise, you have a knack for missing the point.

Dawndonnaagain · 18/04/2014 21:59

...and that I was misrepresenting it (I wasnt).
Yes you were.
As for having no idea what to say, well, actually, it's been said clearly and yet you, who deem yourself to somehow superior, seem to unable to grasp that.
Now, do talk about Toni Morrison to me, personally, I think she's fabulous.

Dawndonnaagain · 18/04/2014 21:59

No dear. I didn't.

Dawndonnaagain · 18/04/2014 22:06

'Once upon a time there was an old woman. Blind. Wise.

In the version I know the wman is the daughter of slaves, black, American and lives alone in a small house outside of town. Her reputation for wisdom is without peer and question...

...One day the woman is visited by some young people who seem to be ben on disproving her clairvoyance and showing her up for the fraud they believe her to be. Their plan is simple: they enter her house and ask the one question the answer to which rides solely on her difference they regard as a profound disability: her blindness. They stand before her and one of them says, "Old wman, I hold in my hand a bird. Tell me wherther it is living or dead"
She dows onot answer and the question is repeated...

... Still she does not answer. She is blind and cannot see her visitors, let alone what is in their hands. She does not know their colour, gender or homeland, she only knows their motive.
The old woman's silence is so long the young people have trouble holding their laughter.

Finally she speaks, and her voice is soft but setern. " I don't know" she says, " I don't know whether the bird you are holding is dead or alive, but what I do know is that it is in your hands. It is in your hands."

Toni Morrison.
The Nobel Lecture in Literature. 1993.

Greatsnakes · 18/04/2014 22:08

Jeez zzz

adoptmama · 19/04/2014 05:55

echochamber: your first post to me, written before I had ever addressed you, said my source was shit

liar

adoptmama · 19/04/2014 05:57

Suggesting Toni Morrison could be used to 'prove' I am a child molestor.
liar

adoptmama · 19/04/2014 05:58

Suggesing if I wish to 'prove' the sources do not provided the 'evidence' you claim they do, I should go read them.

Correct.

Which is what you refuse to do.

Suggesting, based on the referencing you have provided I could go find them.

Correct.

Which is what you refuse to do.

adoptmama · 19/04/2014 05:59

echochamber The issue, as you and I both know, is that you have no idea what the contents of the sources you have referred

wrong

adoptmama · 19/04/2014 06:01

echochamber Consequently, you couldnt direct me to the relevant passages of the sources in question, because you have no idea what they say

wrong

I 'refuse to direct you to the relevant passages because you should read the entire article and because you are intellectually lazy and I have no wish to play you silly games

adoptmama · 19/04/2014 06:03

lovely quote, Dawn

adoptmama · 19/04/2014 06:05

echochamber You know as well as I do that you copied almost word for word substantial passages of someone else's writing, and made no mention of the fact that it originally written by someone else

liar

adoptmama · 19/04/2014 06:06

I suspect someone is trying to be so deliberately obvious now in the breaking of the T&Cs in terms of personal attacks that they are hoping someone will report the thread to have the proof of their stupidity deleted by MN...........

Dawndonnaagain · 19/04/2014 10:09

Yes, I have stopped reporting, adopt I rather think it should stay.

marfisa · 19/04/2014 10:38

I admire your tenacity, adoptmama and dawndonna. Also, adoptmama, it's a good move to refer to leftwingechochamber as echochamber rather than leftwing because this poster is very much not left-wing but very much an echo chamber!

That said, I think all the fuss about sources is totally useless at this point. Anyone who can make statements as bigoted as some of the statements echochamber has made (such as the one about not wanting to walk down the streets of England and hear any language being spoken other than English) is not going to be convinced by any array of academic sources, however impressively marshalled.

If someone is WRONG on such a basic level then thoughtful arguments and research are a joke. Imagine a racist saying, "Black people are inferior". And then saying, "But you haven't done a good enough job of linking me to sources PROVING that black people are not inferior! The sources you have linked me to don't really prove that!" See what I mean?

Dawndonnaagain · 19/04/2014 10:55

It's a good point, Marfisa, but I feel that Adopts approach is a damned clever one. leftwing has attempted to use an academic argument. It's a tack often employed by those who on the far right who think they're clever (David Irving for example). They seem to feel that their argument, if presented in what they perceive to be an academic form, somehow lends some sort of credence to the discussion and makes the person presenting said argument, in some way appear (perhaps) erudite. Of course we know, when taken apart, there is no such validity to said argument and adopt is doing a fabulous job of taking it apart. It has been pointed out time and again that using part, not a whole, has no validity, some of his/her sources have no validity in backing his/her arguments, Putnam for example. The Morrison quote from her Nobel speech also has a validity here, although it may take a little time...

Waltonswatcher1 · 19/04/2014 12:52

Holy guacamole .
Method works really well ; comes in a nice pink colour ; smells of grapefruit and is refillable .

YouTheCat · 19/04/2014 12:56

That has got to be the most bizarre mis-post ever. Grin

BuzzardBird · 19/04/2014 12:58

Really want to know what it is

Dawndonnaagain · 19/04/2014 13:19

It's kitchen cleaner! Grin