Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

Why always comments about Jezza when it comes to single parents. Its fucking ridiculous.

By the way, Jeremy Kyle is on for one hour in the morning, not all fucking day.

Id love to be sat on my arse watching jezza (sahp) unfortunately the small people won't allow it

Yes awful maureen I guess they do, for SOME of the time..

Those of you who think workfare is voluntary work which will enhance someone's CV, be relevant to an individual's employment history, or make them more employable, well,

YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION!

Sorry to shout, but you are assuming workfare is logical, fair, and well targeted to help those who need it. It us bond of those things.

Workfare jobs are largely menial jobs. The employer does not need to teach any skills. People do not get sent on stuff which will enhance their CV, it's just about turning up and mopping floors (or whatever). So people with degrees and retail management experience will be sent to stack shelves, for example. How does that help anyone?

It does not create employment, in fact it does the opposite, it cuts the number of real jobs.

This scheme creates profit for the likes of Poundlsnd through saving on wages, while creating slave labour, pretty much.

should say "it is none* of those things"

(stupid phone!)

It says that others, not attending workfare placements may be forced to attend the job centre everyday. And, of course, any lateness or missed appointments will incur benefit sanctions...

I'm an LP, my DS will be 3 in August. He can't go to any form of childcare as yet as he has suspected ASD and can't cope with it. He is due to start pre-school in September but all we can do is 'suck it and see'. The only thing that is certain is that he won't be going straight in for the full 15hrs a week straight away.

He's also in the process of being assessed so the next couple of years are going to involve lots of different appointments etc.

At the moment I work part-time but it's a temporary contract which will probably end within the next 6-12 months. My safety net was the fact that when my contract ends I'll have a safety net of a couple of years to get DS settled into a school and to find myself something compatible with whatever his needs will be.

Looks like that's gone down the shitter.

Pot kettle black to moan about NRP not paying child support when on benefits. Neither parent then is paying to support the child. Presumably if the NRP is not working then they are on JSA which has similar schemes.

Re education, surely if the person was interested in extending their education they do it before having children? After, they will just have the same excuses re dont like using or paying for childcare etc. There are still thousands of courses available at colleges or online. Not everything in life is handed to you for free.

It might cost more than what a lone parent gets now but presumably the plan is to get them off benefits as soon as possible after. It also sends a clear message that getting pregnant is no longer a get out of work card so maybe our birth rate will drop.

Its not working for free, a lone parent gets a lot of money from the state a month for currently doing nothing. Add up IS, CTC, HB, C/Tax, free school meals and prescriptions etc and a single person would have to work a fair few hours to gain the same amount.

Threads like these bring out the worst in some people. Workfare doesn't work because it takes jobs away from job seekers. Bonkers idea! I don't always agree with usual but she is spot on!

If the workfare is real work then it replaces someone else who would have had a proper job. If the workfare is just trivial make-work then it won't count as experience in any meaningful sense.

So that is lose/lose except for the companies getting free workers.

It's a gimmick to please a certain kind of voter. It's not very complimentary either because clearly the government think those voters won't understand the pointlessness of it.

I don't consider mopping floors to be 'menial' though. I work with a large team of people. Everybone of who plays a unique and vital role. Health and hygiene are essential in any working environment.
If people stopped seeing cleaners, shelf stackers, binnen etc as lesser beings then perhaps there wouldn't be such an issue. ALL work is valuable in our society.

Darkest eyes- too true

Just watch the birth rate go up. I know someone who didn't want to work and deliberatley went out and got pregnant to stay on income support her attitude was. I might as well go out and have another baby at least that way I wont get hassled by the job centre and I can stay on my I.S. Thank good I went back to work as I couldn't stand the hassle. xxx

Off topic slightly but wiggly your post reminded me of a game of thrones quote (not sure if it was intensional?)

'If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention" - new Tory election slogan?

This wouldnt affect me but it stinks.

At 3 most dcs do 15 hours free childcare, whats the issue?

Intentional. Cant spell tonight.

"Honestly. These people saying that they're going to work to fund other people.

No you don't. Your taxes will contribute what, 1p towards it? Ridiculous.

I'm a higher rate taxpayer and likely subsidise many lower paid and non workers but I don't see it like that. It is a contribution to society. "

Have you not just contradicted yourself there? Is it 1p or is it "many lower paid and non workers"? Sorry if I'm being dim, just don't understand.

This scheme seems completely unworkable to me, and morally dubious. As others have said, where are these women going to work that doesn't involve paying for additional childcare? Oh yes and why just the women?

Pot kettle black to moan about NRP not paying child support when on benefits.

Semantics just semantics Where did a say about an NRP being on benefits. A lot of financially abusive fathers who dont pay are in high income jobs. If they arent paying then they could do workfare in their spare time After all IDS wants ppl on low wages to do workfare if they arent working enough hours and cant get more hours. So why shouldnt irresponsible NRPs do the same.

If people stopped seeing cleaners, shelf stackers, binnen etc as lesser beings then perhaps there wouldn't be such an issue. ALL work is valuable in our society

Yes all work is valuable. Which is why it should be paid for properly and have proper employment rights attached.

Courses and training for qualifications is all very good, but the time to do those is not when you have young children. Get those things before having children, and if you don't, then don't expect to be paid to stay at home having children you can't afford.

I don't know enough about workfare to know if it ever works or not, but I can believe that it doesn't do as well as it should. But I still don't see the problem with expecting people on benefits to work where work is needed, but where a job won't be created.

My school has cleaners, but they aren't paid for enough hours to do do the job properly, and that's not going to change in a hurry. I'm sure there are plenty of other situations like that where people could work for society in return for the benefits they receive in addition to the paid jobs.

And if it works as a deterrent for people who actively choose to have children when they are out of work and have no way of financially supporting them, then that's a good thing, even if it does cost the government a bit to start with.

Things like this don't have to be done in isolation. There is no reason why single resident parents can't be made to make a contribution at the same time as non resident parents being forced to take financial responsibility for their children.

Also. I have been very very fortunate to never have faced unemployment but I would never look down on anyone who doesn't work. I know nothing of their circumstances so I have no right to but where are all these jobs coming from. xx

Anna it wasn't no :) GOT is on my must watch list, but no time for TV atm.

Happy thats rubbish I retrained after having children, although not when in recept of benefits.

The majority of the students on the access to nursing were lone parents on benefits. Free childcare was provided.

Also lots of mature students who were lone parents on the nursing course