Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

What about the feckless twats who leave their kids and never put their hand in their pocket for them?

that is a very good question.

Fusedog we could go back to everyone fending for themselves, but you wouldn't like that. You see in primitive times if someone needed food and you had some they would hit you over the head and take yours.

Most of us thought a civilised society would be better for everyone and we invented rules and safeguards.

Those who hanker for those good old days should get what they wish for.

Fuse dog I presume that was aimed at jellybean? Jellybean has a partner who works you stupid fuck.

Back I imagine Fuse sees herself as an alpha-female doing the head-clubbing.

Bad Good point. You might want to rephrase it before it gets deleted though

Fuse why are you so worked up about this? Do you think people are living wonderful luxurious lives at your expense? Do you really think you are footing the bill?

fusedog Uniform grant?? I missed out on that :(

fusedog - that's down to your local council - mine does not provide any financial assistance unless your child is excluded for not having uniform.

I feel very lucky to live in a country where I was able to be off work while my son was under 5 although I am shocked that the financial benefit of working full time vs part time is only around £5 per week! Though, again, we single parents are very lucky that we are able to work part-time and still have a good income.

The benefit system may not meet everyone's approval, but its up to us, as individuals, to make the most of what we have and to make our own life choices.

Fusedog sounds bitter, lets hope you never find yourself in need.

foreveronadiet You are correct in a sense. 3k fee (taxpayer funded) workfare boss, and still paying the workfare client their Benefits (taxpayer funded), of course it is 'not working for free' and it obviously makes more bloody sense than just giving the workfare client a paid to begin with. alas she comes off the unemployment register (no longer being taxpayer funded) and the leaching companies that rely on workfare clients whilst being paid to take them on no longer get to leach off the taxpayers neither.

Fusedog no such thing as a uniform grant per se. It is a School Clothing Allowance, available to those on a limited income, it is also no more than £20.00 in the Midlands so would be interesting to see what the 'Free Uniform Grant' allowance is down south.

Missp Most London boroughs have abolished it all together according to CPAG.

Why do these peo

Ahem.

Why do these people focus on the help lone parents get over the help business etc get? Is this proof of how clever the media spin is?

Fuse, you only get the £500 pregnancy grant if you haven't had a baby recently. So these feckless single mothers will only get one once presumably when they've been left to it by a man. Where's the hate for the men?

A lot of internalized mysogyny from some on this thread. Like i said early on on this thread im totally against workfare but why arernt the absent financially abusive fathers being asked to do it.

foreveronadiet I sat on my hands when you posted last night as i didnt want to accuse you of lying by omission but now i see that someone has mentioned you are not a single parent i see that the sitting on my hands wasnt necessary.
I see these attitudes in my slimming world class. Advising ppl to eat meat fish and things like salmon every day to boost weight loss Its just not possible for some of us as we cant afford it The ones who can are losing weight quicker Its taken me since last August to lose not quite 2 stone. I have been advised not to eat citrus fruits or anything sharp as it gives me colic so that stops me from eating so called speed food. And i cant afford to eat meat or fish every day I eat a lot of eggs on this plan and its costing a lot of money. One recipe they suggested was to use 6 eggs at once to make a small flan. Ludicrous the amount of ppl who cant or dont want to see whats going on right in front of their noses. the group consultant is all ears and practically has an orgasm over shit fat shaming programmes like Secret Eaters. Funnily enough though the programme about the rise and rise in food prices on channel 4 on Tuesday nights didnt get a mention. There is STILL a reluctance to face the truth especially when it doesnt fit ppls ethos.

I think fuse as a lot of other women are doing are blaming those who receive benefit for the fact they choose not to sah and are guilty.
Jealousy is a nasty trait, but little do these people realise that families are going to suffer, but they don't care because they are righteous and maybe they do leave their kids to go to work, but at least they're not scroungers. Add to this the vile they read in the Fail and Bingo, they start believing their own shit.
Don't let them wind you up, pity them.

I don't know whether it is fair that mother A works fulltime leaving her child in daycare to support mother B in being at home with her child Is that fair?

That isn't why mother A is working though is it?

I think someone upthread said how much each individual tax payer pays towards benefit claimants, 1p may have been mentioned?

I think fuse as a lot of other women are doing are blaming those who receive benefit for the fact they choose not to sah and are guilty.

Yes. This.

What fusedog said, I am pretty sure that the £500 maternity grant has been abolished?

No school clothing grant here either, in some boroughs, there is a discretionary fund that people can apply for, but it is budget dependant and no guarantee of getting it.

Amberleaf I was under the impression it was scrapped too. Just available for the first child now I believe.

The businesses help the economy though and contribute whereas an unemployed person is just taking. Its a fair amount of time before work fare kicks in, if the person truly wanted to work they would be doing so before then. Most on IS know they can sit on it for years and do so.

We all make choices in life. Some choose wisely and others not so. The amount of people who have children in a barely there relationship time wise and then wonder why it goes belly up is amazing. Same for those who never establish a good working period or actually never work at all. These bad choices are always someones elses fault. Never their own. its hardly rocket science to work out if you rely on another adult for money and have children then if it goes pair shaped you have no back up plan and no means of support.

People, with or without children, should never have the option to live on benefits if physically able to work. Trotting out excuses or moaning doesnt excuse the fact that its plain lazy. Why should the person who works 40 hours a week on NMW end up with the same as a person doing nothing.

The government and Ofsted are looking at those on pupil premium as their outcomes are far poorer in life. Knowing that children in non working households fare far worse in life, its very saddening how many choose it by choice. Childcare may not be 100% perfect but any slight downside has to be way better than the outcomes they face otherwise.

Maybe the policy is meant as a deterrant. If it works, then it will benefit future children. Breaking the cycle needs to be done. Let it go back to being a true welfare state, there to feed and house the sick and disabled not the workshy.

I think its an excellant idea

HappyMummy

If I were you I'd be making sure the choices I had made were good before telling others their choices are bad. I think its interpretation whether good or bad tbh.
My good choice is not working and being there for my dc, its important to them, dh and me.
You don't seem to have made that a good choice for you.
My bad choice would be working and childcare as I really don't like childcare. You obviously like it and working rocks your boat.
I wonder if it is actually the best for your child though?

HappyMumofOne workfare contractors taken £3,000 of Taxpayers money for each claimant they take on. How is that helping the economy?...

Yep just the first child, unless you have a really really big age gap I think

Misspixietrix is right, but I don't think happymummyofone is interested in the facts TBH.

As for school meals, why would anyone begrudge a child whos parents are on a low income having a hot, free meal once a day?

Its about 11 quid a week ffs!

Happymummyofone rolling in with her usual bollocks.

How does it help the economy to pay the businesses money to take free workers? The same free workers that replace jobs leading to more unemployed people.

It's also not about choices. Does an abused woman choose to be abused and have to flee her life (and her job) and then struggle to find childcare friendly hours? Does a sahm choose to have her working husband die and then she struggles to find childcare friendly hours? Does a woman choose to be made redundant because her workplace is replacing the workforce with free labour courtesy of workfare? What about a woman who has a job and is refused flexible working after she returns from maternity (despite being promised it) and can no longer continue working there?

Yeah, all by choice