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To think this is cruel?

79 replies

fruitandnuttycake · 25/03/2014 09:46

There is a bit of a back story to this so sorry if I'm waffling! A few years ago my PIL loaned my BIL the money to buy his own house, BIL lives in the same town as PIL. They also did up his house as a gift. PIL have always said that they would do this for us when we made the decision to buy (we have always lived in a different town to MIL and my parents). She even boasted to my mother that she would loan us the money for our first purchased home.

A couple of years ago we had to relocate to a new location as it was the only place we could both find good jobs. This location happens to be in the middle between were both sets of parent's live. We said we would rent first to decide if we like the area. We have recently had a baby, which has hit PIL hard, and everytime we visit they drop loads of less then subtle hints that we should move. The finances are hard at the moment, having dropped my wage and we are very strapped for cash. DH's job OK pay but is with a good company and has brilliant prospects, it's also a good area for schools etc.

PIL have now said to us that unless we move, they will not help us out at all with a house purchase. TBH I would rather not accept money from people who are going to hold power over us/ use the loan to control our lives, however, every time we see/speak to them they always tease us with "wouldn't you love to have your own home", "fruitandnuttycake, you could go back to work if you lived here because I could provide childcare", "we could do up a lovely nursery for you", "it's so cruel that you have taken our grandchild away from us". Its a real tease as we cannot afford a deposit at the moment and the finances are hard, they are using the cash as a carrot on a stick and it just makes us feel like shit. DH tells them off for it at the time but I know it hits him hard seeing his parent's upset.

We just cannot move, DH would never be able to find a job as good as his there, he would have to accept a job a little more than min wage with poor prospects so we probably wouldn't get a mortgage anyway, nor do I want to accept a loan for them.

AIBU to think that what they are doing to their youngest son and his family is very mean and manipulative, I know it's their money and they can do what they like with it, but having recently become a mum myself I cannot imagine treating my children this way.

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ohfourfoxache · 25/03/2014 17:52

I'm actually a bit worried that you had to ask if yabu re the breast feeding thing - in my mind it shows how much you are putting up with, how long for and how you may have begun to "normalise" this

BillyBanter · 25/03/2014 18:02

I wouldn't be going out of my way to go visit them.

The next time they dangle the carrot say:

We have good jobs in X town and we are making a live for our family there. We have no plans to move to Freaktown where the same pay would not be available to us, even if we did want to move there. We don't want to move there. Either you want to help us out with buying a home or you don't. If you don't shut up about it. Access to our children is not a commodity to be traded.

fluffyraggies · 25/03/2014 18:29

Lordy!

OP, i would not tell my DH this last golden nugget of info unless i had to. ie: he was seriously thinking of moving, taking the money, and accepting his mothers offers of child care.

Don't accept the money. Take pleasure in sicking to your guns and paying your own way.

Perhaps let your DH know that you are on the brink of boiling over next time the bribery starts. Perhaps he can think of a way to shut them up before that happens.

ContinentalKat · 25/03/2014 18:40

Emotional blackmail at its finest, and that is ignoring the bf incident...

Let your dh have a quiet word and tell his parents in no uncertain terms that the more they push, the less likely they are to get what they want.
If they want to buy you a house: wonderful, but it has to be "no strings attached". If they want any Hmm sort of payback the deal is off and you will happily plod on on your own.

And don't hand over your baby to them, your mil seems to be completely bonkers!

nothingbyhalves · 25/03/2014 18:48

My sil has said if she won the lottery she would buy us a house but only close to her. I told her if she wins lottery to do that, and that we would sell house and use money to buy one where WE want to live. It's blackmail. Your lives.

Moomey · 25/03/2014 18:53

Have you chatted to bil? does he have a partner/wife? maybe chat to her as she is the other wife. See how they find the pil after accepting the money. do they feel controlled by it?... This should give you more insight in to how your life would go?

Also, have you played the 'but my parents want to be close to gc too' card.... I use this when my pil make me feel guilty about being away from gcs

MerryInthechelseahotel · 25/03/2014 19:09

Hopefully she was just giving your baby skin to skin contact to soothe him.

Could you take their offer and buy the house then do a runner Grin

WhatamessIgotinto · 25/03/2014 19:27

To be honest I wouldn't accept a penny from them. If your DHs job has great propects I would wait until things were better financially for you and then buy. Actually i think I'd rather never buy than be held to ransom by these people. If you let them do this, it will only be the beginning and I agree with a PP about not wanting to use them for child care either. They want to run your life,don't let them and tell them why.

Nennypops · 25/03/2014 19:29

Can you send them a fundamental calculation that goes along these lines:

!. You are offering to loan us X on condition we move near you.

  1. If we move near you, we will make the following losses: (insert calculations showing the amount of money both DH and you will lose over the years because you can't get decent jobs; alternatively showing the cost of commuting, continuing to rent a flat local to DH's job, etc).

I assume it is highly likely that the cost of no. 2 will outweigh no. 1. Also, given that they are talking about a loan rather than a gift, you will be even more out of pocket.

Then point out that, kind as their offer is Grin unfortunately it just isn't financially viable.

WhatamessIgotinto · 25/03/2014 19:30

Just read your last post. Jesus love, have as little contact with this woman as you can and you need to tell your husband about what happened.

Anniegetyourgun · 25/03/2014 19:38

You know if they put money towards your house - even a little bit - they will regard it as their house and you'll never be able to keep them away from it?

Never mind moving closer, can you move further away? Emigrate maybe? (Not entirely serious suggestion but...)

OnIlkelyMoorBahtat · 25/03/2014 20:32

'Kin 'ell. Just saw your update OP. Did I say "steer clear"? What I meant to say was, "STEER CLEAR".

phantomnamechanger · 25/03/2014 20:34

OMG at the update!!

Keep Away! seriously, they are not kind, helpful, normal, loving PIL/GPs - they (she) are total control freaks, you will have NO LIFE and NO PRIVACY if you play along with what they want. Any time you try to put your foot down, she will play hurt and misunderstood, how can you be so ungrateful, they only ever wanted to help etc etc..... KEEP YOUR DISTANCE!

MammaTJ · 25/03/2014 20:44

Please listen to all the alarm bells!

TheCrackFox · 25/03/2014 20:48

You need to move as far away from this fruitcake as is humanly possible. Have you considered Australia?

EeeIcouldCrushAGrape · 25/03/2014 20:55

Shock Shock Shock Shock
Seriously, WTAF?! I'm literally sat here with a face like this Shock at the bf bit.
I was going to say as nice as it would be to have a house paid for, is it really worth it at such a high price?
An offer like that should come because they want to help out and from a place of love, not from a place of emotional blackmail and manipulation.
You'd basically be handing them your lives on a plate and giving them carte blanche to meddle and interfere you said already she goes through drawers
When I got to the bit where she'd snaffled your baby into the room - if that's true, the woman is flat out deranged, sorry. Not in a million years would my head even be entertaining her childcaring, let alone move closer!!
Run. Run for the hills and all of you buy a house a million miles away

fruitandnuttycake · 25/03/2014 21:41

Well I spoke to DH about the BF thing, he was more wierded out by it than anything, he agrees she's crazy and he asked me if I want him to speak to her about it but I really don't think that will do much good now. Just best to supervise contact all the time. At the time it happened I thought possibly she may have been having skin to skin but TBH I think for a GP do do that without a parent's permission is odd, then when she mentioned about breastfeeding it sunk in. I don't think she would do it again, at the time I was very vulnerable and new to parenting after a traumatic birth so I think she took advantage of that by taking him away and doing whatever it is she did, I think she knows she wouldn't get away with it now.

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fruitandnuttycake · 25/03/2014 21:42

Feels so good to have told my DH it though, I don't know why I kept it from him, at least I am not alone in it now

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Turquoiseblue · 25/03/2014 21:51

Do not under any circumstances take money from them.
They sounds manipulative and unhinged.
If someone took my newborn baby off me and took the baby into their bedroom I would be fit to tear the door down, you must have been frantic. How cruel, and weird. It s a bit sick.
You need to learn to draw the line and enforce boundaries though otherwise this is going to keep cropping up in different shapes and forms and cause a rift between you and dh.
Stay together and stay strong.

pluCaChange · 25/03/2014 22:07

What kind of parent wants to make adult children dependent (again) rather than more independent?! An incompetent and selfish one!

Taking your baby overnight, for the intimacy of skin-to-skin contact - or closer - is just forcing. Ugh!

EeeIcouldCrushAGrape · 25/03/2014 22:08

It reminds me of that film, The Hand That Rocked the Cradle. You're not asthmatic, are you, OP? Hide your inhalers just in case if so... Grin

MoominMammasHandbag · 25/03/2014 22:15

They sound horrible. I would be dropping hints that we were considering a move to Australia as we had no hope of buying a house near a good job for DP.

People who try to manipulate you, deserve all they get when you turn it back on them.

At the very least you will piss them off.

AramintaDeWinter · 25/03/2014 22:37

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cees · 25/03/2014 22:47

Oh my God (puke)

Stay the fuck away from her.

Creepy bitch.

UserNameDenied · 25/03/2014 22:51

Is it possible to sit down with them and thrash it out. You can then clearly state that you feel awkward, that you don't want them to pressurise you and that it is their choice if they want to give you money but that if they do they must give it with no strings attached. There would be no need for it to be confrontational.

Maybe.....maybe, they are just very badly judging the situation and think they are being jokey and funny.

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