To be getting fed up of female nudity in Game of Thrones ...

[samandi]

Up to mid season 3 so far. Are there any major female characters that have managed to keep their clothes on? It's getting on my nerves now and starting to ruin what is otherwise a really good show.

And have there actually been any penises on display?

But there is a sexual element to the way women are portrayed (generally, not referring to GOT as such) that isn't equal to men. Whatever else she is is don't forget the T&A!

The TV series though is much more pornified than the book. The extent to which the TV series uses "sexposition" is a bit of a joke in our house; completely gratuitous, all the male characters are unable to unveil their evil plan unless there is a bit of shagging going on at the same time.
I don't like Dany's deflowering scene either; in book it was much more consensual.

There is plenty of sex and violence in the books.

Theon gets his penis cut off and it gets sent back home to his dad.

Thanks for the Theon spoiler - on episode three of season 3 where he is being tortured!

I'm loving GOT but disappointed by the female nudity though love the Female characters who come across stronger than the men TBH. Just ditch the amount on non necessary nudity.

I honestly don't think there is that much sex in the books, not compared to the TV series. I certainly didn't have a problem with my mid teens reading them; I'd feel uncomfortable watching the show with them though.

It's the scenes with Littlefinger that seem to have a lot of unnecessary sex/nudity, and isn't really an essence of his character that I picked up from the books.

I've only seen a few episodes, but presumably, even if male characters are tortured or castrated, those bits are actually crucial to the plot? Compared to some of the scenes I objected to in the first season when a couple of male characters are discussing political manoeuvring or the weather between themselves with a bevy of perky-nippled nude women bobbing about giggling and squealing on the sidelines for no particular reason.

I mean, I'm assuming Danaerys and Cersei don't get together for a tense, fully-clothed discussion of the state of the nation in the middle of season 7, while a bunch of non-speaking, well-hung male actors kneel naked and tittering waiting for them to be finished...?

Stop it with the spoilers, please. I'm reading the books and haven't caught up yet so I'm not as far on as the TV series.

In the books, well at least up to book 3, there isn't anywhere near the level of sex and nudity that is being described on here.

These books, from the small range of fantasy novels I have read, have a higher rate of strong female characters in comparison. The women, with a few exceptions, don't use sex as a tool or aspire to be men, which makes a nice change.

I've not seen GOT or read the books but I felt compelled to comment on this thread.

DP and I are tv fans in general, we like to lick up new series and give them a good chance, it's somewhat of a hobby.

I'm getting sick of watching a pilot for something that looks like it has real potential only to find it stuffed full of sex and nudity to suit the male audience.

I'm currently pissed at a pirate snow that was on, it had a decent story line but after a couple of episodes I had to bin it, I don't see the need to cram orgies and naked ladies into every scene! It really ruins a series for me, if I wanted porn, I'd look online.

Everything made by HBO has gratuitous female nudity. In fact, DH and I have renamed HBO as HBoobies. And even their symbol looks a bit like a boob.

I don't disagree that there's more sex and nudity on the tv version.

But you know that thing where someone went through the books sticking a post-it in every time someone was killed? I'd love to see that done for every time there's a reference to rape or forced sex of any kind.

I'm less than halfway through book 2 and so far in this book we've had the captain giving Theon his daughter on the boat (luckily she likes it), that weirdy man on the other side of the wall raping all his daughters, the brothel Tyrion goes to as a cover when he's getting the special fire (Tyrion doesn't do anything but it's another reminder of women's place), the horrible soldiers raping and killing the women prisoners after Arya's captured, all the casual references to the 'rapers' who get sent to join the Watch, references to the Watch going to a brothel.... and probably more stuff I've forgotten.

And yes, GRRM's authorial position isn't 'yay, rape!' but what it does do is enable situations where powerless women throw themselves at the men (eg daughter of weirdy incest man wanting to go away with Jon Snow) or alternatively men take advantage of women's lack of power and they still get to be the good guy (eg when Tyrian is given Shae - I'm sure there's back story there that I'm going to find out about but it's presented as her being basically served up to him). So it means that male power/female powerlessness is very much eroticised.

That sounds highly credible, Tunip. Having said that, are the books good, or just sort of Lord of the Rings with no elves and orcs but a lot of non-consensual sex? They sound highly schlocky from this thread, but am prepared to believe I am wrong, and they are tautly-plotted, beautifully-written novels...?

They aren't beautifully written but the storytelling is absolutely masterful and the characters are brilliant, possibly more so than on the tv because the women wear clothes more.
The Caroline Lawrence blog I linked earlier does a very good job of pinning down what's effective about the writing.
Anyway, they're a cultural phenomenonemon. You have to read at least one to see why the playgrounds in a few years are going to be full of little Daenerys's and Aryas.

Burren - the whole thing is worth it for the dwarf. The actors won an Emmy for playing him. He has fantastic lines and it's incredibly well acted.

I know this thread is about women in it but his character is fascinating - he's routinely mocked and bullied and loathed by his father for being a dwarf and yet he is the most intelligent in the whole thing.

Agree Laurie.
It's not just that he's intelligent, he's also moral, without being implausibly good or annoying.
He is the best of all the men characters by a long shot.

Yeah but does he get nekkid? What good is he unless he can titilate me. Himself and his character and plot development.

Pah!

I do really like Peter Dinklage as an actor. OK, will give the first book a trial. Though I hear from the grapevine that GRR Martin is elderly and not very well, and the TV production company are so afraid he may not live to finish the series, they have made him give them a detailed plot outline for the remaining books, so they aren't left stranded - so perhaps I shouldn't get too interested...?

What about Hodor? We see his willy as well. Surely that is enough to go around.

Oh, it would be amazing if he died without finishing it and left everyone arguing about what was going to happen!

(OK, that's a bit ruthless. But he of all people can't complain about that.)

I would absolutely love to know whether every aspect was plotted out in advance and before he started writing each character he knew exactly when they would die, or if to some degree he killed them off when he got bored with them.
I'm amusing myself by guessing who is going to go next based on who is most dull. The big death in the first book that was meant to be a shocker didn't surprise me because that character was never as interesting as he felt like he was meant to be.
It may have worked differently on tv, though, because the actor who played him is someone with a certain amount of presence....

If they kill off Tyrion, though, I will curse the name of GRR Martin and not read another word.

Tyrion is absolutely the best character. Me and DH reckon it's going to end up being between him, Jon and Danaerys (but don't tell me if it isn't, anyone in the know!).

Aren't HBO worried that he won't have actually finished writing them by the time they catch up with the books?

Jon will have to get more interesting first RiverTam. From where I'm standing he's a bit dull and whiny

I call it Game of Tits.

Objectifying nonsense. I struggled through series 1, gave up after one episode of series 2.

And the books are shite.

RiverTam the producers know the conclusion of the books, so it will be interesting if George R R Martin doesn't get them finished how the TV series will play out.

Already, the TV series has ended several areas of speculation by fans by differing from the books - e.g. merging characters, cutting whole characters out and by killing off one character to emphatically make clear it was the end of that particular line...

HBO add soft porn to pretty much everything they produce. I enjoy the books for their differing female characters.

The series would be really rather silly without all of the nudity. For a start, Littlefinger is a pimp. Various prostitutes play an important role in the story, as does incest.

The sex lives of several of the characters are pivotal to the story.

One good thing I have noticed about the naked women, is that they have boobs, bums and thighs. They look like healthy adult women.

I've read all of the books and there is plenty of humping and worse in them.