To think this mother should not have been arrested?

[KeinBock]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but this story is just so heartbreaking. The baby is seemingly being adopted against her mother's wishes. Surely any mother would kidnap their own child to prevent this from happening?

If a discussion about the mothers situation is what you wanted OP, maybe you should leave out the DM links then.

It always gets peoples backs up.

This story has been all over the media, not just the DM.
There must have been reasons why the child was taken away, and kidnapping her was the worst thing she could have done.
I don't know if we know enough about the case, if she was seeing her daughter three times a week, maybe SS were hoping for a reconciliation.

Hotdog, the second link was to another publication, unrelated to the DM. In it, the girl's father and brother have attempted to present her side of the story, after a police manhunt was launched when she kidnapped her baby.

Nobody's frothing at the mouth here, I can assure you I'm perfectly even tempered.

Honestly she has only made things harder for herself and proved that she isn't able to put her child's needs before her own.

And yes I do kbow how hard it is. I knew where my son was and never went to the house though passed it on route to contact. They can't say I didn't put his needs first. I stayed strong throughout proceedings until final contact which when it ended I held my son extra tight and for longer than normal (unfortunately I was crying) and then let him go because it was best for him

Please don't criticise that I ended up in tears. I tried very hard not to but I dont think many parents could say goodbye to their child forever and not cry

Thanks for finding a non-DM link.

I sincerely pity this young woman, but I'm not sure she's in a place to be a good mother to this little girl, from what little reliable information is available.

The problem with any discussion about family cases is that the laws to prevent information from being published are so draconian that myths and misinformation abounds.

Another Walsall baby kidnapping here:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-26614217

Anyone want to stick up for him?

I feel sorry for her but it was a stupid thing to do. cant help thinking her actions have proved SS right in their decision to have the baby adopted.

But yes OP of course she should have been arrested. She abducted a baby (ok it was her daughter), she broke the law. If the baby's father had lost custody of her for very good reasons and behaved this way would you have felt sympathy for him?

Domestic violence is one of THE biggest risk indicators for vulnerable children. Ss know that children who suffer injury, sexual abuse and death in the home often have the common link of da at home

If mum will not give up the violent relationship she can't protect the child

Abducting her is an indication of how desperate she is, yes, but leaving the violent partner would have indicated how seriously she took her child's welfare

I certainly wouldn't be sticking up for him Aga.

gordyslovesheep was she still with the violent partner?

OP, what about Aga's link, do you think he was right to do it? I'm sure Daily Fail could make a lovely sob-story out of it, dad's relatives saying how he missed the little girl and how nobody listened to him.

Clearly there is a history here that the mother needs help for, but to say she shouldn't be arrested for kidnap (even if it is her daughter) is not right though.

She broke the law and put her daughter at risk again.

That is not ok.

I feel desperately sorry for her and hope she gets the help she needs to break the cycle of violence that she is clearly living in, or has been up until very recently.

However, she kidnapped a child and put that child at risk. Arresting her is the right course of action for that - I sincerely doubt she'll be sent to jail, for example.

The needs of the child have to come first - I don't blame her for failing to do that adequately, but I think in this case SS have done the utterly right thing in removing her daughter from her care. And as that is the right thing to do, then moving the child through the care system into adoption is a good thing.

It is still heartbreakingly sad though.

OP, what about Aga's link, do you think he was right to do it?

Is this a rhetorical question? Assuming not, then no, I certainly do not agree that this man was right to kidnap a nine week old infant from its own mother in the middle of the night.

Nor, do I necessarily think that baby Lola's mother was right to kidnap her own child - but I do understand why she did it. I also feel that it was cruel to charge her with kidnap, on top of everything else she is going through.

However, it does appear from the majority of responses that IABU, so I'm willing to accept that.

I don't know the full story but babies being taken away from mothers who want to keep them makes my heart hurt...

Its not cruel to charge her with kidnap at all. She has allegedly committed a serious crime and many hours of police time has been spent looking for her.

Babies not be taken away from parents who want to keep them but can't provide a safe environment for them makes my heart hurt a lot more...

Not sure if my post will be allowed or not but I know this woman and her family. Social services and the police have most certainly done the right thing. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

This is where SS can't win........people can't see past a clean, beautiful, smiling baby.

That means bugger all in the grand scheme of things. There will be many reasons this child was removed, a violent ex will be the tip of the iceberg.

One of the FB posts from someone who knew here that I read said much the same thing, Happyas.

Its not cruel to charge her with kidnap, she did it.

Sorry but I don't sympathise. If she loved her child so much then she should have protected it better.

Not a DV case but I know someone who is due very soon. I already know the baby will be better off in care and will end up neglected. If I find out for definite and I am in a position to report it, I certainly would do and would support it being taken into care.

Personally I think more children should be removed at a young age to give them a chance of adoption and a new life, a girl I know locally actually took her children with her after picking them up from school to a womans house she had an issue with and attacked her, the womans toddler daughter was clinging to her mums leg, screaming and trying to prise them apart whilst an older child ((8 or so)) joined in, trying to help his mum.

Why the hell she regained custody after being released from prison is beyond me, those children have no chance of becoming decent citizens, they will be raised in the same environment she was. Sad for the woman in a way but eventually people need to take adult responsibility to be a responsible mother, whatever sob story they may have.

Honestly she has only made things harder for herself and proved that she isn't able to put her child's needs before her own.

Yes, exactly. it is tragic, and I do feel for her, but she did wrong and I don't think charging her with kidnap is cruel or unmerited.

Love your name by the way OP. Very much how I'm feeling today. Kein Bock Montag.

I think social services have failed in their duty to the mother and child. She should never have been given the opportunity to kidnap her daughter and they should have been especially vigilant once the adoption had been decided, because then she had nothing to lose by snatching her baby and everything to gain.

They have failed to keep the child safe, and caused needless distress to the child's mother, and it happens far too often.

Interesting to see a lot of people think social services are so bloody wonderful. .they have also let down many children who would be alive today had it not been for their negligence, the dreadful case of baby p, not to mention many others..social services most certainly do not always do the right thing. I agree without any background story we cant make assumptions with this particular case, but I can only imagine the heartache this girl is going through. Very sad.