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Aibu to be furious that ds is being called a N***** [thread title edited by MNHQ]

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bongobaby · 06/03/2014 17:24

I'm am pissed off that a child in ds class has been calling him a effing nigger. Not only has this child been calling ds this he has also been messaging him calling him this. They are both in year six. I have always brought ds up not to swear and I don't like it used around him it's an absolute no no for me. My ds is mixed raced so yep he is half black but that doesn't excuse this foul use of the term at school or through whatsapp and he is upset about it.
Need advise on how to approach this as I am fuming.

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LiberalLibertine · 06/03/2014 22:37

Oh please, that was the word used, you're not going to be sick are you?

Finola1step · 06/03/2014 23:30

It was the word used. Dreadful, disgusting and totally unacceptable. But I can understand why BB used it in full to illustrate her deep concern.

mumminio · 07/03/2014 00:00

Oh dear, please don't misunderstand me! I didn't word it very well... I think the situation is NOT acceptable in any way. By keeping a level head and having a calm and considered approach to resolving this issue, you can take it as a teaching experience for your child.

It's the getting furious bit that I don't think is reasonable, because it will give a suboptimal example to your child. Sadly this is something that goes on, and it might not be the last time it happens. I had similar issues growing up, and my parents were calm and I'm glad they were.

basically...don't let the b@$t@rd$ get you down.

sashh · 07/03/2014 06:23

YesAnastasia

Huge differences between using it as an insult and using it as genuine 'banter', by which I mean my brother has called me a 'dirty little atheist' and I have called him a 'papist', we know that it is a joke, we would never do it in public and neither of us would use it to anyone else.

daisychain01
It is a word. When used as an insult it is vicious and if I heard it I would probably also feel sick. I was shocked when an African student said 'that's what I am miss, call me it', er no I won't, I don't even think I can but it is a word.

No one is ever the thread police when things like rape or the holocaust are used. They are vile terrible things, but there is a word used to describe them that is, in itself, a word.

We are all adults, it's clear the OP was using the word to tell us what has been said and not to insult anyone.

bongobaby · 07/03/2014 10:15

Daisychain01 It was not my intention to make people feel sick or to offend anybody, but that was the word that has been used to my ds. Of course its repugnant to civilised people, this is a child saying this word and it needs to be nipped in the bud before adulthood is reached so they can grow into civilised adults that should know the word is unacceptable to use. I have only used it as Finola1step has said, I bloody well detest that word and I was cringing typing it out for the thread.
I've had an emotionally draining week with having to go to court re violent exp wanting a non mol removed, A friend turning up with her problems, another friend needing support in getting into the right hospital. and then this, I guess it got the better of me and I lost it being furious, yes bu. But my head is now calm with thanks to the helpful mums netters.

I have phoned the School this morning and asked for the direct email address for the head and have just sent through an email using the helpful wording from Lizzie.

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WilsonFrickett · 07/03/2014 10:30

Good luck Bongo. Don't back down till you get the right result for DS, we are all behind you!

AmyMumsnet · 07/03/2014 10:33

Hi there,

We've just edited the thread title, hope that's okay.

whichdidyouchoose · 07/03/2014 10:44

Hi there AmyMumsnet, so you think it's okay to censor a word that the OP's child has been called, may I ask why?

Of course it is a deeply offensive thing to say and is totally reprehensible which is exactly why it should remain.

SnakeyMcBadass · 07/03/2014 10:56

Ack. My heart goes out to your DS. I hope the school takes it seriously and supports your DS. Yes, children make mistakes, but if no one pulls them up on them they grow up into adults who hold such vile views. It needs nipping in the bud. Good luck.

LiberalLibertine · 07/03/2014 11:12

Yes, can I ask why too AmyMumsnet ? Really, you should explain your thinking.

twatsrus123 · 07/03/2014 11:34

why is it OK for black people to use nigger when talkng to/about each other ??

Serious question that is.....

FoxesRevenge · 07/03/2014 11:48

There has been a two-parter on tv this week, early evening around 6pm ish about Kunte Kinte. I was half watching whilst reading the paper and heard the word nigger used a couple of times. I imagine some children out there will have been exposed to this and may well take that word away with them and use it without realising until it's too late. Comments made recently on this thread make me wonder if people would like to censor, or rather delete films with this language in it regardless of the context of it's use. In this particular film it was a conversation between two black african characters.

YouAreTalkingRubbish · 07/03/2014 11:49

I think it should have been deleted too. I don't like looking at it and we do to need to see it to know what it is. I have no problem with normal swear words.

Mrswellyboot · 07/03/2014 11:52

Lizzie's letter was perfect. I hope you get a quick reply and this is dealt with immediately.

LurcioLovesFrankie · 07/03/2014 12:08

twatsrus - As you can probably work out from the thread, it's complicated. There's a kind of positive usage and a negative one. The positive one is tied up with the sociological concept of "appropriation", and basically comes down to the idea of an oppressed group adopting a term of abuse and taking the sting out of it by using it themselves in a joking sort of way. Note that typically, not everyone within that group will be happy with this - some may quite legitimately feel that the word is so bad that it can't be neutralised through humour/appropriation.

An example of this might be the recent phenomenon of "Slutwalks". The idea grew out of a male police officer (I think very senior one in Canada, IIRC) saying that if women went out dressed as "sluts" they brought sexual assault on themselves. A group of women started "Slutwalks" as a riposte to this (reminds me of the chant I remember from "Women reclaim the night" marches: "What ever we wear, where ever we go, yes means yes, no means no"). The point is of course that it is alright for the women organising/participating in these things to self-identify as "sluts" as an act of political satire - it's not okay for others to point at them and say "you're sluts." Basically, rule of thumb - if you're in the group and it's a private setting, and you know one another well enough to know each other's sense of humour - you can joke about it (like the poster upthread who mentioned that she and her brother had an ongoing private joke about papists/heathens). If you're not - common rules of politeness apply. And, re. the slutwalk thing, there were quite a lot of feminists who said "look, we can see what you're trying to do with this, but actually, that word is so offensive there's no possibility of using it ironically/reclaiming it."

So when two members of the same black socio-cultural background both choose to use the n-word in banter, that's their choice, but it's not an invitation for other people to join in, nor does it mean that all individuals from that background will think it's okay.

And of course the situation then gets massively more complicated when you take into account tensions between individuals from groups from different socio-cultural backgrounds who may exhibit racism aimed at each other - which seems to be the case here. Racism is still unacceptable when it's, say, black African vs. black Afro-Carribbean, or white English on white Irish descent (with the usual caveats that there's a big difference between an individual act of racial prejudice - for instance someone black calling someone white "honkey", and ongoing prejudice backed up by historical and social inequalities - someone white calling someone black the n word. Both are wrong, but it would be naive not to recognise that the latter has the potential to be much more damaging).

bongobaby · 07/03/2014 12:12

Last night when putting ds to bed he said "mummy I guess he is right I am that word because I am half black" I said yes my darling you are mixed raced but that word shouldn't be used to describe your colour its wrong. It's not wrong to be black sweetheart and you should be proud. He is wrong to use that word. Maybe the boy doesn't know what he is saying. I have him a big hug and kiss and told him not to worry it will be sorted out.

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Finola1step · 07/03/2014 12:14

BB hope all goes well with the response to your email. F

Finola1step · 07/03/2014 12:16

BB. X posted. Your son's comments last night prove that you are right to challenge this. You are handling this perfectly. Focus on that an not having to justify on here why you used a particular word in your thread title.

whichdidyouchoose · 07/03/2014 12:20

Lurcio, your post is well-informed and or course I agree with you but I think that on this occasion Mumsnet is being a tad hypocrytical.

TillyTellTale · 07/03/2014 12:24

I don't think anti-racism campaigners campaigned against that word, in order to silence victims of racism. I don't they wanted people who'd experienced racist abuse to have to pussyfoot around what had just happened, in order to avoid making other people uncomfortable.

Yes, it's a horrid word. So how do you think the OP's child feels? He was actually called it, directly! And now his mother's account of that is being censored. I think this is dodgy ground.

PeterParkerSays · 07/03/2014 12:31

Thinking of you and your son Bongobaby. I would keep stressing to him that he hasn't done anything to get this lad into trouble, just in case other pupils say that he has. This lad has got himself into trouble with the language he has chosen to use. This is bullying, because he's sent other nasty texts, and racist abuse and the school have called him up on it, not your son. Keep focusing on how the lad has brought this on himself.

bongobaby · 07/03/2014 12:31

I have just received a reply from the Headmaster has said that ds had made them aware of inappropriate and racist language aimed at him by another pupil last week. We immediately dealt with this in a quick and serious manner and sanctions were put in place. I have spoken to (sons name) today and he tells me it has distressed him.
We do take any inappropriate behaviour very seriously and we will do what we can to ensure that all children are happy and safe.
My suggestion would be to save/print the text messages in case you need them at a later date and if they persist, contact the local police for advice and contact us so that we can help out in school.
They knew about this last week and didn't think to contact me, bit odd. And poor ds has kept this to himself since then, makes me feel like I have let him down.

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LurcioLovesFrankie · 07/03/2014 12:48

which - I totally agree with you re. mumsnet and censoring the thread title - it's an accurate report of racist language, and is clear even in the one sentence title that this is the exact opposite of an endorsement of such language. My post was addressed directly to twatsrus though, who asked why members of an ethnic minority might use these words to one another, which is a different issue to the thread title.

Bongo - so sorry you and your DS have had to go through this, and though I can see that you're annoyed they didn't tell you at the start (which they should have done) they do at least seem to be taking it seriously now - and I'm impressed that they actually suggest police involvement as a possible next stage, since in my experience all too many schools will do practically anything to avoid that even if it means failing the victims of bullying. So the fact that they actually say that suggests to me that their anti-bullying policy is one with some teeth rather than just being a paper exercise. Hope it all gets sorted out and your DS is given support. You sound brilliant in the way you've handled it so far.

AgaPanthers · 07/03/2014 13:03

'Cunt' is not censored on here, even when used directly to abuse people (as opposed to merely retelling what someone else has said).

So why is accurate reporting of what someone has said been censored?

AgaPanthers · 07/03/2014 13:03

And I agree no Whatsapp for primary school kids! Should be 16+ at the least.

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