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Convince me that having a larger car than you need is not selfish.

411 replies

Rooners · 04/03/2014 09:46

Because I cannot think of a single reason why it's not. I'm talking about cars that are huge for the sake of it, not cars that carry wheelchairs, or loads of people, in a relatively compact and utilitarian manner.

But something that only has 4/5 seats yet is the size of a small tractor - and no, I don't think this is wrong if you live somewhere with poor terrain. But if you don't?

  1. They take up more space when the last things we need on our crowded roads are unnecessarily supersized vehicles.
  1. You can't see past them because they are often much higher than 'normal' cars - great for the person driving the thing, rubbish for everyone else
  1. They tend to use a larger amount of fuel than a 'normal' car - which is, unarguably, utterly unfair given the fuel crisis the world is facing.
  1. They don't fit into a normal parking space which causes untold problems in car parks.
  1. They don't fit in a narrow road so cause hold ups as people try to pass each other.

So please convince me, if you can be bothered, that I ought not to be so cross when I am trying to use the roads and one of these massive tanks makes it difficult, dangerous or just really bloody awkward.

I am willing to listen. It's that or spontaneous combustion really.

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Theodorous · 06/03/2014 09:43

Yes, I think I can understand that having read this thread.

Rooners · 06/03/2014 09:44

eh?

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Theodorous · 06/03/2014 09:47

I wouldn't want to live in your street either. I don't even know what my neighbours car is and I certainly do not care.

Rooners · 06/03/2014 09:48

Oh.

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Rooners · 06/03/2014 09:50

I didn't mean our neighbours resent us living here. Just a lot of other people we know. Apparently we shouldn't be able to because we aren't well off enough.

We have brilliant neighbours however big their cars might be (and many of the nicer ones have normal sized cars anyway)

One said to us the other day that we can't move (as we are planning to) as she wants us to stay here.

You really are talking out of your arse.

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Theodorous · 06/03/2014 10:00

Whatever love, at least I am doing it in a nice car. Don't make sweeping 6th formish judgements if you can't take them.

cobaltcow · 06/03/2014 10:38

"One said to us the other day that we can't move (as we are planning to) as she wants us to stay here"

What a bizarre addition, made me laugh anyway.

Theodorous · 06/03/2014 10:41

I personally loved the bit about the the fact that the nice ones all have small cars.
Like your "niceness' is in degrees of how small and rubbish your car is. Classic MN snobbery.

Rooners · 06/03/2014 10:52

Bizarre response to a bizarre accusation. What did you expect?

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Rooners · 06/03/2014 10:53

And Theo, unless you are prepared to read my posts accurately, and take what I say at face value, there's really no point having any sort of discourse with you.

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EvansOvalPiesYumYum · 06/03/2014 10:58

We have brilliant neighbours however big their cars might be (and many of the nicer ones have normal sized cars anyway)

As I have asked before, but you haven't replied, Rooners (in fact, you haven't addressed many of the replies to your questions, you appear to be cherry-picking what you wish to respond to) - but what exactly determines a "normal" sized car. I have a "normal" sized car that fits into a "normal" sized parking space and I can drive it on all "normal" roads, both here and abroad. We also own a Mercedes Sprinter (long-wheel base, which is huge) and two Toyota Hiaces - I manage to drive them perfectly well. My daughter has a Toyota Aygo - I also manage to drive that perfectly well (although I do feel a bit like Noddy in it)!! Your definition of "normal" needs some clarification, I feel.

Rooners · 06/03/2014 11:00

I was trying not to respond to any, Evan, until it all got a bit too much and I had to give in. I am sorry to have missed out your long post but tbh it read as though you didn't actually understand most of my points, and wanted some kind of research to back up the facts of big cars being hard to get past and I'm afraid I don't have any. Only my own experience.

By normal I mean anything really that isn't a foot or two wider/taller than average.

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ListenToTheLady · 06/03/2014 11:05

We have a campervan (and no other car). Yes it's selfish, it's a fairly large vehicle (though wheelbase is similar to a large car and it does fit in a normal space), has only 4 seats and we don't need it (though by that argument, far fewer people need any car, than actually have one).

I justify it to myself by saying that we don't drive to work, so although we use the van for holidays, day trips, and things like the supermarket shop, we're not clogging up the roads all the time. It's modern, efficient and built to last, and we intend to keep it a long time. Also we go on holiday in it and therefore are not flying on holiday, saving on emissions overall. I drive it carefully and am very aware that people may not be able to see round me easily. On balance, touch wood, I think I'm a much more cautious and respectful driver than plenty of twats I see bombing around in smaller cars.

Re Iceland, when I was there (years ago now) EVERYONE had huge Toyota jeeps with incredibly high wheel arcs and ridiculously bouncy suspension, which I'm sure were handy for off-road, but IME were just used for city driving.

It's easier in Iceland though because there is much less population for the space.

Rooners · 06/03/2014 11:11

By the way I am sorry about your Dad. It must be hard.

Here you go - I will try to address your points.

'1. How do you judge how much extra space they take up on our roads? They take up less than a large van, much less than a lorry or articulated vehicle. They are cars - what determines the extra space they may (or may not) take up. They also pay a higher road tax than smaller cars, so that surely offsets any "extra space" - they're actually subsidising your road use, if you think about it logically!!'

By the difficulty I have (and others have) in passing them on an otherwise passable road, I guess. By the way they stick out well over the parking lines. By their measurements on Wiki, as an afterthought.

Paying more road tax is all very well, but it doesn't make me feel better to know that because they are paying for more of the road, I have difficulty in using it. That's not subsidy, thats pushing smaller vehicles out.

'2. How is that different from you being stuck behind a van? Don't quite understand that point. I often drive my daughter's tiny little car, I've never experienced problems with seeing past a larger car. Maybe your point only refers to incompetent drivers. Not sure what to say to that without appearing impolite.'

It's no different to being stuck behind/next to a van. But a van has usually got more of a purpose proportionate to its size. The size is required. (have answered that many times I think)

'3. This depends, surely, on how one would use such a vehicle. For instance, my o/h runs his own business, therefore generating a lot of waste. I use my large car to transport the waste to the dump/recycling centre. One trip in my large car would take about five or six in my daughter's tiny, "normal, economical" (and not all the items would fit in it). '

Yes fair point and if you are using the vehicle for this then it comes under 'need' I think - which isn't included in the point I am trying to make with this thread. Need is fine - excessive size without need is not.

'4. Personally, I have NEVER had a problem parking in a "normal" parking space. I've been driving R/Rovers for almost 20 years. Never a problem. Again, not quite certain where you have obtained your facts - I do, however, see a lot of very small cars parked very badly. This has nothing to do with the size of the car, again, purely incompetent driving skills.'

again I've answered this at least three times.

'5. I have driven in very narrow roads, again, never a problem. Many country roads are narrow, this has an impact on any size of car. In my daughter's weeny car I still have to give way to an oncoming vehicle, whatever it's size, on a narrow road. Another poor example from you, IMO.'

yy of course. I've answered this. Some roads nothing can get by - other roads, most cars can pass two abreast. It's the ones that can't, that you notice.

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Rooners · 06/03/2014 11:14

And the thing about parking in a small space. It's two fold.

  1. Is the space large enough for you to get into, without hanging over the edges? Possibly. That's great.

But a lot of parking spaces have a margin built in to allow people to open their doors, a little more width than is really necessary, etc. Just because your large vehicle can fit into it, doesn't mean anyone can park safely or conveniently next to you.

I am glad you are able to park well. Many people can't. But it doesn't magically make spaces big enough to allow that little bit of give that is often necessary to get in and out of the car, or indeed the space.

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everlong · 06/03/2014 11:21

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Binkyridesagain · 06/03/2014 11:23

Parking spaces are designed to get as many bays as possible in the smallest space, they are often at the minimum width they can get away with. Often just wide enough to park a fiesta and have the doors open just enough to squeeze your arse out of.

They are not designed for the average car.

Sevensev · 06/03/2014 11:23

RedToothBrushe's link is a bit of an eye opener.

www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/ncap/ncap_home.jsp

Car safety may not merely be a lot to do with size.
Not sure I will be able to convince my husband though..

tb · 06/03/2014 11:24

4 x 4's because of their off-road capability do not have the same crumple zones as a 4 x 2 car.

As as result, if you hit a pedestrian in a 4 x 4 at 30 mph you are likely to kill them, whereas in a 4 x 2 car they are likely to survive at up to 40 mph.

An accident at 30 mph in a 4 x 4 will do the same damage to the car occupants as one at 40 mph in a 4 x 2 car.

Years ago, I think it was top gear that did some crash tests that proved this, and explained that it was due to the crumple zones not being the same.

Cantironwontiron · 06/03/2014 11:26

Pedestrian protection dire...eek!Shock

ListenToTheLady · 06/03/2014 11:28

I also park away from other cars, in a corner if possible. My van has a sliding door meaning we don't need much space to get out. Having a large vehicle makes me aware that I need to be extra-careful not to piss off other drivers.

But, I am constantly having parking problems (as everyone else must too) because people with small/normal-sized cars don't park in the bay, but park wonky or overlap 2 bays.

LunchLadyWannabe · 06/03/2014 11:32

I would love a white range rover, latest model.

Just because i like them.

Next door neighbour has one, and i like to admire her car as i walk in my front door.

Its up to the person buying the big car if they want to spend more on fuel on them.

I think your jealous tbh

Cantironwontiron · 06/03/2014 11:36

I think she secretly want a big yellow Hummer. Grin Or a white Range Rover.

runs away screaming waving arms

Rooners · 06/03/2014 11:39

Lunchlady. Do you realise how daft your post makes you sound?

  1. you're proving my point in the selfishness issue - not disproving it.
  1. I've already said I'm not jealous. I don't even like cars really. Get me started on motorcycles and you may have a point.
  1. It's not 'your'. It's 'you're'.
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Rooners · 06/03/2014 11:40

Oh and 4, the fuel issue. Which hasn't gone away really.

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