To start a new thread about bollards on the Isle of Wight

[Mrsdavidcaruso]

OK new thread will post on this after 5pm when bollards are up

and more for you OP

The renters are just being stupid about this and starting on you as they probably can't get any face time with the LL.
Next time they knock on your door or question you or DH in the street tell them you are recording this as you are gathering your evidence for the police due to all the harassment. they are giving you.

Take some time out as well, you need to rest and be happy

Agree with jux and profplum particularly about avoiding legal action. It's an expensive pain in the arse and it appears you've won.

I'm no expert but from what you've said and grim experience of a Neighbour From Hell, I guess a solicitor would tell them they have no case.

If they insisted, she might charge them to write you a letter, but only if she felt there was some slim justification, or possibly asking if you could come to an arrangement.

But Bin Lady could have tried that herself for nothing if she hadn't been charmless.

And you don't want to so it's: 'tough titty fishface', which is one of my favourite lines from Life of Brian and not used enough in legal argument, I think

Enjoy your garden this summer and your new baby when it comes.

I would be tempted to let them continue with their legal challenge to enforce their parking 'rights'. They don't need your solicitor's name, they need yours - and your address, which funnily enough they have. Let them spend 250 pounds plus an hour to hear what they don't want to hear. That they have no 'rights' over private land - and in any case they would need to have established rights considerably longer than their tenancy.

Tis not your problem so relax and plan your garden.

It'll be all bluster anyway, they will be up in arms for a few days and then they'll get used to parking a way away and get over it. Give yourself a headstart and get over it now (meant in the nicest possible way). Best wishes and thank you for all your updates.

Yes, no need to spend money getting your sol to do anything OP, wait and see if they want to spend cash on getting a sol of their own to write to yours. Lots of people threaten legal proceedings and lawyers' letters and the like, but when it comes to putting their solicitor in funds suddenly decide they aren't as angry as they thought!

OP, I can understand that you don't want the hassle of going to the police, and just want them all to piss off and leave you alone.

My only reservation is that it might be in your own interests to report the problem to the police and state that you and your DH are being harrassed by the tenants. If you report it on 101, then if they really do kick off - the tenants not the police - and you have to ring them in emergency, they've already got the problem logged.

Just an idea

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Gosh what idiots. How can they think they have any case at all. I hope they still go to a solicitor and cheer him up with their ridiculous idea that despite being told, despite not owning the land or the landlord owning the land, despite accepting the rent reduction, they have a valid case. Ridiculous.

No doubt the LL has painted himself as some poor unfortunate who had the land snatched from underneath him, rather than the truth.

I thought when they found out you were the owners then they would think they could still park there.

Honestly it's so silly that you don't need to stress about it.

My concern is that they will all complain against you planning permission on loss of parking amenity grounds and the council will get the wrong end of the stick.

All this legal nonsense is just bluster (and yes that is my professional opinion!). Don't think on it any further.

I would ask that the letting agency kindly do not continue to inform you each and every time one of these tenants raises a whimper. Any issues the tenants have should be put to the landlord only and are not you concern. You do not need the stress of being updated continuously.

A short, factual letter addressed to each tenant setting out the legal position and reminding them that their issue is with their original tenancy agreement and in turn their landlord would be a good way of ending things. Keep it brief, to the point and don't invite correspondence on the matter.

This really is the landlord's issue and I suspect he in turn will have a claim against either his solicitor who drew up the tenancy agreement or even perhaps the letting agency if they have used a "one size fits all" tenancy agreement of their own.

However, none of that is your problem OP. Tell the letting agency to deal with it, send a letter if you think it appropriate and then disengage.

I do agree that any further contact with you by the tenants should be logged with 101, aggressive or otherwise.

You also have grounds to contact the landlord yourself if such behaviour continues as the tenants will be breaching their tenancy agreements with such appalling behaviour towards their neighbours. But that is a whole other angle that could be used as a last resort.

Finally - I hope you're putting your feet up!

As others have said please don't let them get to you - although, I know from experience that it's easier to say than actually do in cases like this.

Also as others have said, it does sound like the tenant didn't really understand what has happened. It sounds like they think that LL has sold the land to MrsDC.

Agree the parking issue is strictly between the ll/la and the tenants . Not your problem and you do not need or want to hear from the la unless it is in response to you reporting abuse. It only involves you now in so far as ownership is now yours and you are choosing to enforce it whereas previous owner didn't. Tenants chose to believe that you were calling their bluff, despite letters and reduction in rent indicating otherwise - tough. The only person liable is the ll for misrepresenting what was included, regardless of who it belonged to.

Poor you OP. It is horrid when you have issues with neighbours. I had this when I was pregnant and it made me very stressy.

Do try and relax.

And smile and wave whenever you see any of the cheeky feckers.

I would make it clear to the LA that parking issues are no longer any of your business and that he has no need to contact you any further. The tennants' enquiries need to be directed to the LL by the LA and not directed to you.

I would let the police know on 101 and give an account of the incidents of aggressive behaviour.

Also - massive fences are gorgeous when covered by climbers and you can get some nice thorny ones too.

Dear Lordy, they really haven't got with the plot yet, have they??

I hope this is the end of it now but agree with keeping a record of things in case it isn't.

Mrs DC one day you will look back and find this amusing. But at the moment it's causing you considerable stress. I agree with other posters who have said hand it back to the LA and make it clear that you consider this harrassment.

They's LL sounds like a real chancer, such a pity he's not around so they can take it out on him instead.

Poor you,, agree this is no longer funny, they are showing themselves up to be remarkably stupid

Ugh, I'm sorry it's turned so nasty.

These tenants don't seem to understand, do they? I get the impression that they believe you have bought "their" (i.e. the landlord's) land from under their noses. I don't think they understand that the land was never owned by the LL!

Wtf? How stupid are they?? Oh well, they can piss their money up the wall if they like, it is of no consequence to you. If they think you will be threatened by this they must be high.

Sorry to hear they are being so nasty. It's really off considering you are pregnant, they should be ashamed of themselves. Clearly the "nice" tenants have managed to maintain their civility, it's not hard!

TBH I don't blame them for seeking legal advice. IMO they should also take issue with the Letting Agent, which is possibly why he's being so "efficient" now. Don't forget they've likely made on a proportion of that rent for all that time as well - but they will try to make the LL take full responsibility.

Letting agents should have to have sight of the deeds be aware of any boundary issues, as well as written permission from the mortgage lenders, but they get away with by just making lls sign to say all is above board, without any providing evidence - but that's probably a whole other thread!

Hugs to Mrs Caruso.
Not what you need,
but another vote for turning your back on them and just letting them all stew.
Chances are they are all on shorthold tenancies so will up sticks to somewhere that does have legal parking in the next few months.

Grabs a cuppa and a biscuit settles in for the duration

Given how ridiculous their trying to take action against you is, I would think they have been given a very sanitized (from the LL's point of view) version of events. In particular I suspect leaving out any admittance of his lack of any right to have made parking available to them in the first place. Possibly just saying that following a forced sale the right to park on the land has been withdrawn. That would, to some extent, paint you as a vindictive neighbour who just doesn't want them parking near you.

It doesn't matter, since they don't have a leg to stand on with respect to you, but I agree it might be a good idea to get the real story out to the tenants some how so they have somewhere else to direct their ire. If I'd rented a place with parking I would exceedingly annoyed if it was withdrawn part way through the tenancy. So I imagine they are looking for a solution that doesn't leave them worse off - who doesn't normally want that?

But also agree with those saying you should tell the LA that they need to deal with the problem the LL has created now and you don't really want to hear any more from them about the issue unless there is actually some action required.

They all need to get a grip. Sorry you're having such a bad time, especially while pregnant. How many weeks are you?

I'm another person who thinks the police need to be informed of what has been happening, enough is enough.

Scantily has good advice.

or there's the plough option

I suspect Emmeline is right, and the key bit of information (that the landlord is a cheeky fucker, renting out land he never owned) has been withheld, because it makes both the LL and the letting agent look very bad indeed. Unless you know better, OP?

Ignore ignore ignore. Hope you can relax Op

My I reckon is that the tenants have been told a fair version of what's happened but are just being arses. Some people are like that.

The LA seems to be useful and cooperative. Keep friendly communications open with them.

Don't initiate any communication with the tenants. Their issue isn't with you and they need to get a grip and start directing their ire at the landlord. If you do contact them, it'll draw their attention to you and away from where it should be focused.

Anything looking remotely like harrassment/abuse from the tenants, log it with 101.

Thanks OP for a very entertaining series of threads.