to think MNers can be better than this

[IceBeing]

OPs may be ignorant, they maybe obtuse, they may be in the wrong and they may be trolls...

but how can dozens upon dozens of swearing riddled instructions to carry out intimate acts be considered a reasonable response?

For some people MN is the first forum they frequent. It is perfectly possible to post something that is innocently ignorant yet massively outrageous to MNers. Then suddenly you are being called all the names under the sun and told to fuck yourself preferably until dead? really?

Believe me it can be a massive shock that people say things on the internet they would never say in real life. It is possible to feel very very frightened and threatened by such an onslaught.

AIBU to think if the last 5 posters have covered the 'fuck off to the far side of fuck' angle then maybe you don't need to stick the boot in too?

The best case scenario is that the person on the other end is indeed a troll....in which case why are you giving them what they want?

It is a thread about a specific thread, a thread that I didn't think was a troll, a thread that was ignorant and lots of people objected to the op.

As I posted earlier

'oh what a lovely lot you are for kicking the shit out of the OP on my behalf....'

I think this rather misrepresents some of the posts, mine included, which said it was refreshing to see so many people 'getting it' wrt the fact that it is pretty ignorant to not understand that older children and adults may need nappies for all sorts of reasons. Having been on threads where people are rounded on for daring to bring up their children's disabilities, yes it is refreshing!

If you can't cope with a thread, don't open it. Don't reply to it. Don't come on MN.

I resent being told not to come on mn, or open threads when a thread title screaming ignorance pops up on my active conversations. I did not stick the boot in, or tell anyone to fuck off, but I reported the thread and gave my opinion, as everyone has a right to,because that is the whole bloody point of AIBU!

No, it is a general point spurred by that latest thread.

In normal life this happens all the time. People say, "Oh that makes me think of this" or "Did you here?"

It's only on MN that conversations are supposed to happen in a kind of weird unconnected limbo

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I agree with hully. The troll thread was mentioned as the reason why the OP felt that troll hunting has an overall negative affect on mn.

MNHQ have already commented and stated that they would normally delete a TAT but this one raised questions and created a debate.

Why does it need to be deleted? I think OP is making a valid point. MNHQ said so too and explained that's the reason for leaving it to stand. FWIW Ice isn't just on about the Nappy thread. "There's been a number of threads recently OPs words. Tanith that's horrible :(.

I am taking the hide thread advice, it is winding me up too much!

I wasn't involved with the N thread that I remember but I am very old and don't double check my own posting history , I didn't know the OP of this thread was about a particular thread. I have been arguing this very point on a totally unrelated thread over the last week in site stuff, but that degenerated from a reasonable discussion into a 'party' with pictures of 'hot' men when some troll hunters decided it should .

this is NOT a thread about a thread, it is thread where the OP, myself and others, are arguing that the BEST strategy for dealing with trolls is to ignore and report - just like the MN guidelines tell us to do. I think it's the best strategy because I think troll hunting ON THREAD does huge amounts of damage - more damage than good.

If people want to be Miss Marple off thread, search previous posts, other forums, and then alert MNHQ then great, good community spirit, thank you. I don't see MNHQ handing out sheriffs deputy badges and telling people to lock and load their Colt 45s and saddle up - I do see them reminding us about the 'no troll hunting' regs.

Shes not on about a particular thread. She's on about the general consensus of certain threads recently that have been ridiculously PA recently.

SpinDoctor, I wasn't on the 'nappy' thread and I appreciate that it was in very poor taste, offensive etc. and i can see why people responded very strongly to this poster. However, I don't agree with online vigilantism just as I don't agree with it in RL. There is something morally repugnant about it as it quickly turns into a Lynch Mob and as in real life, the vigilantises soon become the aggressors and they then turn on innocent people that just don't fit the Mold! MaryZ's post about being suspicious of those who are agreeing with the OP, implying that those doing so are perhaps trolls themselves, is a prime example of this attitude!

I used to be really keen on MN because there was lively, intelligent discussion and you weren't lambasted for not having a conventional view on things. I've noticed in the last 2 years or so that if you feel passionately about anything and can articulate that, you get told your 'projecting', 'over-involved', 'crazy' a 'troll' - it is a ridiculous assertion that I minority view should 'always' raise suspicions!

You are not supposed to decide who is a troll and abuse them. I have seen many posts on here from people who have been accused of being trolls when posting about difficult personal circumstances, which makes them all the more upsetting.

gold yes - lynch mobs are exactly the problem. They don't look any prettier when thrashing a troll than when thrashing an innocent bystander tbh.

For my this is getting to the increasingly simple point that:

If MNHQ don't want troll hunting, they need to be seen publicly to punish troll hunting. Even when, perhaps especially when, it turns out to have actually been a troll.

I didn't see MNHQ condoning troll hunting on that thread at all. I saw a lot of 'fuck off's', a few angry posters and some sarcasm and then it was gone.

Had it stretched through 100s and 100s of posts I could understand what you are saying. But it didn't and it was deleted pretty quickly.

Another point

If X says "17 yr olds shouldn't be in buggies, the lazy gits"

And people say "Fuck off you half wit"

that isn't troll hunting

That is an angry response to a vile and/or ignorant suggestion

So there needs to be a clear distinction between "troll-hunting"

And telling someone offensive to fuck off

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In this case saying nothing is condoning though isn't it?

If you have a rule saying don't say 'fuck' then nobody gets told of for saying 'fuck' you have condoned it.

There was troll hunting and personal abuse all over that thread. The only public evidence that MNHQ acted is their message saying it was a troll. Nothing about any of the other breaches of the rules.

As I am sure anyone with a toddler will tell you...you have to be consistent if you want to stamp out bad behaviour.....

There are lots of people on this thread saying oh its fine to abuse and troll hunt because it was a troll....

This shows you that MNHQ condoned troll hunting....

hully but 'fuck off you half wit' is also against the rules.

MNHQ should enforce the jeffing rules if they don't want the place to slide into the pit of despond....

It might be against the rules

But sometimes it is a justified response (imo) and an appropriate one because really who has time? With some of the arrant and offensive nonsense posted.

But it isn't troll hunting.

And if you have No troll-hunting, AND no telling anyone to Fuck off, then you have carte blanche for thousands to post offensive nonsense all day long.

And once, we were encouraged to self-mod.

It got rid of the crap much more efficiently.

But the rules! Who will save the rules?

You forgot to wring your hands, Havant.

Now I'm wringing them because I forgot.

catsrus isn't it a pity that your anti-troll-hunting agenda from another thread prevented you from reading past the first post, then? Then you would have known. Lucky for you that you didn't end up defending something accepted as really dreadful, hmm? Rather than mainstream mocking of the disabled. Which is so okay, that on other forums, they'd just have got people joining in...

Not reading past the first post, well that's the kind of behaviour that leads to OPs being abused 15 pages after they apologised, you know.

Yes, I am angry. No strike that. I am fucking furious. In some ways, MN has improved in the last couple of years. Parents of disabled children are no longer expected to politely "educate" the pig ignorant. It has finally been recognised that parents of disabled children count as parents, for the purposes of MN's aim of making "parents' lives easier".

So, now we have other MNers doing it instead. Starting pity threads because the troll was told to fuck off a few times.

I'm seriously tempted to tell a couple of certain trolls, who pop up all over the place, to come here, just to see whether it'll be okay to tell them to fuck off when they insult a significant amount of the world's population.

Oh, and yes, I remember Michelle. I was on the thread, not troll-hunting.

They did say something though. They said they thought the poster wasn't genuine and then deleted the thread.

What more do you want? It was a pretty quick response to reports from my experience.

hully it takes less time to say nothing at all.....

It would have taken me less time to not read this thread and not post on it.

But then what would be the point of MN if no one took the time to read and post?