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Need a bit of advice on how to resolve a family issue

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Jill1978 · 02/02/2014 08:11

Before I start, I'll apologise for what is likely to be a long(ish) post.

My hubby's brother and his wife-to-be are getting married in late April. They've decided to get married in a really nice (but expensive) resort in Southern California and in Autumn sent out invites to friends and family.

To set the scene, they're both in their late 20's, have good jobs, with good salaries, no kids and a small flat (with a small mortgage). By comparison, my Hubby and I have 2 pre-school kids, a decent mortgage and I only work part time. We're by no means struggling but we're not rolling in it...

When the invites came out we spent a couple of weeks most evenings searching online to see how we could make the trip work financially and practically with a young family. The upshot of our searching was that to take 4 of us nearly 1/3 of the way around the world and stay for the wedding was costing ~£7,000, involved a 16 hour flight (with 1 connection) and when we got there an 8 hour time difference. We just can't afford to do it and really don't want to put the kids though it either. After a lot of thought we said that we wouldn't be going, We didn't mention the cost because we didn't want to make them feel in any way guilty about deciding to go abroad - it's their wedding afterall, and really expected them to understand - how wrong could we be....

The wife-to-be went ballistic, totally spat the dummy, said we were ruining her big day and it if was her sister who had let them down she would never ever talk to her again! At Christmas where we all gather at my mother-in-law's she didn't say a word to either of us all day and was really short and cold with the kids which upset me. Hubby's brother pulled her aside and had a word, but it's become apparent over the last 3 months that he's very much under the thumb and she rules the roost. To add insult to injury, her father waded into the argument and even suggested that we get a personal loan from the bank to cover it since "it's a once in a lifetime event and bank rates are low at the moment".

Its been quiet over the last month and both my hubby and I were beginning to think that her behaviour (which seemed quite out of character) was maybe as a result of wedding stress etc and that the worst was over. However, I've now since discovered that I've not been invited to the hen night but unbelievably, we've been issued with a wedding gift list from John Lewis, where the cheapest item is £95! Seems we've fallen out of favour but not enough that we can't buy them a gift!

Really not sure what to do, obviously don't want to stoke the fires and cause more friction but this rift is really dividing the family. Hubby's parents are now siding with us and giving her the cold shoulder and my poor brother-in-law's caught up in the middle which I think is having an effect on his relationship with my hubby which up until this nonsense was really close......

Any ideas? It's really getting under my skin and upsetting my hubby and I, finding that it's always on my mind and has started keeping me awake at night.

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goshhhhhh · 02/02/2014 08:16

The only thing I can think of is to ask them over & sit down & talk to them. Along the lines of, you mean a lot to us, we understand that you want an amazing wedding & we simply can't afford it. I'm sure you don't want you wedding to be the cause of a family rift.....

YellowDinosaur · 02/02/2014 08:16

What does your husband think given that it's his family?

They have been total and utter rude bastards but honestly I would buy a present for a family member getting married even if I couldn't attend. I'd only buy something I could afford though, so off list if £95 is over budget.

Morgause · 02/02/2014 08:16

It was very selfish of her to expect you to pay that amount of money for her day.

IMO people who decide to marry abroad are incredibly selfish if they expect friends and family to spend a fortune going to the wedding. Fair enough if it's just the two of you, your choice. But to expect people to spend a ridiculous amount of money to visit somewhere they probably don't really want to go to is selfish in the extreme.

I certainly wouldn't be spending upwards of £95 on someone who can't even be civil to my children.

MrsCampbellBlack · 02/02/2014 08:19

I'd just buy the 95 gift and send a card with a lovely message and thank the lord it was a lot cheaper than 7k.

They know you can't afford it if her father mentioned a loan, the groom is probably very embarassed about it all.

I would just leave it personally and see if she returns to normal after her wedding. I suspect you are not the only ones who aren't going hence her disporportionate rage!

AndIFeedEmGunpowder · 02/02/2014 08:20

I think I would send them a card explaining you are so sad not to be able to make it, but with the kids it would have cost £7K and given you have a young family you just don't have the budget for it. You would love to take them for a special dinner/lunch in celebration before they go/when they are back to make up, suggest a couple of dates.

If they are still mean about it after that they are dicks.

MyNameIsKenAdams · 02/02/2014 08:23

The only suggestion I could offer (and I am.by no means saying this is what you should do), would be to leave the dcs with your parents, fly over gettibg there the day before the wedding and leave thw day after.

However as she decided to marry abroad, she needs to understand that not everyone can afford it.

She could always pay for ypu all Grin

theborrower · 02/02/2014 08:24

Wow, she is being so unreasonable!

Why California? Is there a connection there or do they just fancy some sunshine?

I wouldn't go. £7k is a HUGE ask and out of many people's reach. I also think expensive gift lists are bloody cheeky too. But, as another poster said, at least £95 is cheaper than £7k.

I'm not sure how to resolve it, but stick to your guns and know at least that you're not U, she is.

diddl · 02/02/2014 08:26

TBH I'd ignore, ignore, ignore.

I def wouldn't send a gift unless it was an affordable one of my choosing (as a non attendee iyswim).
Although she'll probably lay into you if it's not from the list-might be best to buy nothing!

If a rift is caused it is of her/their doing.

An invitation is just that-an invitation-to be accepted/declined as wished.

As for her father-no wonder she's got the attitude she has.

If it's so important that hse gets her way, perhaps he should be subbing people or haning out interest free loans.

Get a fucking loan, cheeky bastard-how did you not laugh in his face?

PumpkinPositive · 02/02/2014 08:27

I would have told them the truth about the cost in the first place. It is not reasonable to expect people to stump up that kind of cash to attend a wedding. wouldn't even spend that much on my own wedding. Don't really understand why you weren't upfront and transparent to begin with.

However, she's still a loon. If she craves your attendance so desperately, tell her or her daddy to foot the bill.

Hopefully though your BIL will have seen the light long before then.

diddl · 02/02/2014 08:31

They must be complete idiiots if they don't know the reason, though.

Atm I could afford it, but would I spend it on going to my sibling's wedding?

No fucking way!

That's proably as much as/more than we spent on our own wedding!

And I have no interest at all in going to California!

PumpkinPositive · 02/02/2014 08:32

If they own their own home and have lived there a while, what need does the grabby bitch bride to be have for an expensive John Lewis gift list?

Please show her this thread when it fills up a bit.

Janorisa · 02/02/2014 08:32

Presumably she now knows that you're restricted by budget since her dad has mentioned the loan? She is being totally selfish.

It's beyond me how she can't understand.

ladymariner · 02/02/2014 08:34

I wouldn't text or send a card as the words could be misinterpreted. I would take the bull by the horns, and talk to them in person. Explain the situation exactly as you explained it to us in your op and then leave it up to them.
Anyone remotely reasonable would understand. If they don't, well, at least you tried and you will have the high ground.

rookiemater · 02/02/2014 08:36

I'm so glad your DH has got a backbone and is able to withstand ridiculous emotional blackmail.
Take out a loan to go to a wedding - I've never heard the like, and this is from the parents. If they are so keen that your DH attends, suggest that they can pay the fare, but otherwise you'd rather not get in debt thank you very much.
I would buy a present though, just to maintain the moral high ground.

Joysmum · 02/02/2014 08:39

Well, it's your husbands family so up to him to speak to his brother.

I'd always give a wedding gift to friends or family, even if I couldn't attend, but would never push my budget.

Joysmum · 02/02/2014 08:41

...if you work part time, your husband could explain it in terms of something like, 'That's a years wages for Jill', just make sure the message hits home about how expensive proportionally it is for your family.

IneedAsockamnesty · 02/02/2014 08:42

The whole point of marrying so far away is so you get to avoid all the guest related nonsense.

What a grabby unpleasant woman

Jill1978 · 02/02/2014 08:42

Thank's for the replies.

Should have added that California took everyone by surprise, no family connection on either side, kinda came out of the blue.

While I've been quite passive in this, trying not to be at all confrontational my hubby's been absolutely raging. When her dad suggested the loan, DH (think this is right..?!) gave him both barrels. Told him to mind his own fucking business, that if he thought taking a long term loan for something so self absorbed, vacuous and frivolous was reasonable then he needs his head read!

Was quite proud of his reaction actually, he's normally very calm and restrained. Can't remember for sure but DH might have got so annoyed by the loan suggestion that he even slipped in the 'C' word!

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ClairesTravellingCircus · 02/02/2014 08:46

I really really do not understand why people choose to marry abroad (unless they have family there, or any other significant link).
I would buy them a gift as I would regardless of whether I'm going or not. But they just can't expect you to pay that kind of money.

CombineBananaFister · 02/02/2014 08:46

I would have one last stab at being nice to her and explaining the situation in black and white - you cannot afford it, but would've loved to see them get married. That you cannot take the kids on such a long journey. That you wish them both well and hope you can celebrate when they get back. I would get a gift - kind of feel sorry for the BIL.

She's clearly being beyond Unreasonable but at least you'll have made an attemPt to reason with her for the sake of your DH, ILs, BIL even though she doesn't really deserve it (who freezes out kids? what a bitch).

If that doesn't work I imagine the rift will last a while until she maybe has her own kids and financial restrictions and has to think about someone else for a change and not just herself. Hope she feels truly embarassed when she does.

rookiemater · 02/02/2014 08:48

Good for your DH - although I don't usually condone swearing.
Definitely don't go, with your further posts I give the marriage 5 years.

sooperdooper · 02/02/2014 08:50

They're being utterly ridiculous! We actually did get married abroad but we never ever put any pressure on anyone to attend and had it ended up just us we'd have been totally fine with it, I can't believe a loan was suggested!??

It's great that your DH is tackling this head on, personally I'd leave them all to stew on it before mentioning it again, he's said what he thinks (and rightly so!), I wouldn't pander to them anymore

Jill1978 · 02/02/2014 08:50

DH and I had already sort of decided that we'd just take the high ground, not engage her on it, buy a gift, of our own choosing and see if post-wedding it all blows over.

Even if she returns to normal though, her behaviour inevitably going to affect the way we feel about her (and them as a couple) for a long time :-(

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AGoodPirate · 02/02/2014 08:50

Keep your mouth shut, keep a polite and friendly distance. Hope that they divorce before they have any children.

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