To say that Owen Jones's 'Agenda for Hope' is a bloody brilliant idea..?

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www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/owen-joness-agenda-for-hope-we-want-a-fairer-society--and-heres-how-we-can-achieve-it-9086440.html

The link will be active in the following post but essentially it is the proposals devised by many groups to create a fairer society for all...

Please read!

OOh link worked!

Who is he?
All sounds plausible and sensible to me

Well I don't agree with the proposal to increase taxes on people earning over £100k. Just because you earn over £100k p.a. doesn't mean you are in the super rich league

Who is Owen Jones?

Jones is a weekly columnist for The Independent newspaper[8] and his work has previously appeared in The Guardian, the New Statesman, the Sunday Mirror, Le Monde diplomatique and several smaller publications.He has made a number of television appearances as a political commentator, including several BBC News shows, Sky News, Channel 4 News, ITV's Daybreak and BBC One's Question Time discussion programme. Jones tends to write from a left-wing perspective, with Andrew Neather citing Jones' Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class as part of a resurgence of left-wing-themed ideas. Additionally, he is the Policy and Media Advisor for the Centre for Labour and Social Studies, a left-wing think tank.
In 2011 Jones published his first book, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class, which discusses issues surrounding stereotypes of sections of the British working class, and the use of the pejorative term 'chav'. The book received attention in both domestic and international media, including being selected by The New York Times as one of its top 10 non-fiction books of 2011 and being long-listed for the Guardian First Book Award. In addition, The Independent on Sunday newspaper named Jones as one of their top 50 Britons of 2011 for the manner in which the book raised the profile of class-based issues.Jones is currently working on a second book, due to be released in 2014, that will focus on issues concerning the British establishment.
Jones has received attention as a significant commentator of the left, with The Daily Telegraph placing him at 7th in their 2013 list of Britain's most influential left-wingers and readers of the Left Foot Forward blog voting him as the most influential left-wing thinker of 2013.[20] In February 2013 Jones was awarded the Young Writer of the Year prize at the Political Book Award, donating half the prize money to support the campaign of Lisa Forbes, a Labour parliamentary candidate, and the other half to Disabled People Against Cuts.

Just read the link to DH, we both thinks he is talking sense...
But no chance any actual political parties will bring it in.

Not sure why he doesn't tackle the public sector in his 'agenda for hope'. There's a lot of wastage in the public sector - if that was sorted, our taxes could be better redirected or reduced.

I love Owen Jones's writing. This is the usual sensible stuff from him. The hysteria over Ed Balls' 50p tax proposal has been totally sickening. It shouldn't be revolutionary to suggest a living wage for all employees but that's how bad things are

Yeah I love Owen jones

I admire Owen Jones, he says it as it is and will fight his corner to the end.

YANBU and also It shouldn't be revolutionary to suggest a living wage for all employees but that's how bad things are this - god it's depressing living in the UK at the moment - this downward spiral of competitive misery - unless you are rich enough to get away with tax dodging while donating to party funds

YANBU.

I'd like to see Stella Creasy as next PM with Owen as her treasurer

Point 7 struck a particular chord as a long suffering commuter...

And the reason Mary's son couldn't stay in education, take loans and go to university to improve his chances are?

What a complete load of fantasy bollocks

And really a "gruelling shift at the supermarket"? I've worked in supermarkets and restaurants and pubs and the work is not gruelling - you're not talking about sending people down the mines.

Agree with much of this.

Bonvivant, the average full-time wage is £26k. Someone on £100k is a in a very small group of extremely highly paid people. Not a Russian oligarch, admittedly, but there are only a handful of them in the country.

Fair play to anyone who earns £100k, works hard and benefits society, btw, as long as they pay their fair share of taxation good luck to them.

I do think we lose sight of where most of our taxes is spent and who dodges most taxes. It's not at an individual level - it's the big corporates dodging taxes and the public sector wasting our taxes!

fantasy? bollocks?

what's wrong with creating this caroldecker?

A universal childcare system that would pay for itself as parents who are unable to work are able to do so, and which would take on the inequalities between richer and poorer children that begin from day one.

Yes, £100k is good money - not going to disagree with that. However, that group of people is heavily taxed already, works hard and most pay their fair share of taxation. As above, I think it is the big corporates doing most of the tax dodging. In terms of individuals dodging taxes, sure this goes on but that goes on at every level in society - yes the lower paid and the higher paid.

bonvivant anyone from £41,451-100K is heavily taxed
I am not sure if those on 50K work less hard than those on 100K

Utter codswallop.

For evidence of why these sorts of policies fail, please look over the Channel.

has sensible childcare crippled France?

Just because you earn over £100k p.a. doesn't mean you are in the super rich league

I agree, but it does put you in the top 2% of earners and therefore in a position where you can afford to contribute more.

Don't think I suggested otherwise antimatter. Although I would say from my experience that there can be a significant difference in the responsibility and pressure the higher up the ladder you are - the gap between someone at 40k and 100k can be vast.

Socialist policies generally have crippled France.

I disagree Jinsei. You can't just keep on taxing the high earners to the hilt - it isn't the answer.