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aibu to feel slightly on edge when I come across women in the full black burka?

999 replies

caroleharolde · 23/01/2014 23:20

I just always feel slightly threatened, I know the vast majority of Muslims are lovely nonviolent people but.just this sight always unnerve me. Be honest, who hadn't felt a bit uncomfortable when passing by a huddle of the burqa wearers? Not trying to be racist, I'd feel the same if it were Christians or Jews or any other religion wearing it.

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FreudiansSlipper · 24/01/2014 17:11

muslim men are expected to dress in a modest way especially when praying or going to the mosque

i do not recall seeing a muslim man in a muslim country walk around with his top off (apart from at the beach/swimming pool) and do not know of any that would do it here

wishful75 · 24/01/2014 17:17

But muslim men dont cover their faces in the same manner as the women who wear burkas do, its just not comparable at all.

bodygoingsouth · 24/01/2014 17:19

personally I think burkas are ridiculous, they look uncomfortable and for a human being to dress too to toe, cover their face and hands is simply ridiculous. sorry but they look ridiculous too.

however too much fake tan, false boobs Etc look ridiculous too. the gipsy wedding look is dreadful.

that's my personal opinion though and I don't think it's right to legislate for what other women wear.

if change is to come to religions it needs to come from within.

all religions are mysoginistic and denegrate women anyway, the Catholic Church has horrendous form for this.

what I do dislike about this covering up crap is the flip side that if you don't cover then you are somehow 'easy'

please don't pike in and say most Muslim men don't think this, they do.

FreudiansSlipper · 24/01/2014 17:19

i answered the question

men are expected to show modesty maybe not to the same degree but it is still expected of them

JimmyChooChoo · 24/01/2014 17:19

Ill second that wishful - it's totally incomparable

gordyslovesheep · 24/01/2014 17:21

doesn't bother me in the slightest - I would defend anyones right to wear it and I would support anyone fighting not to be forced to - but I don't feel uneasy about what people choose to wear - be they nuns, drag queens or whoever

redshifter · 24/01/2014 17:22

FreudiansSlipper
But why not to the same degree?

Why? Why? Why?

Please answer and help me understand.

WHY?

PeriodFeatures · 24/01/2014 17:23

Here's the problem. Those who are critical of calls to ban the burqa perceive it to be an attack on personal freedoms. They view the burqa as an individual choice - which is arguable - and a religious requirement, which it is not. They look straight past the woman hidden from public view under heavy cloth, and instead applaud our multicultural tolerance

The issues lies with the individual. Oppression isnt caused by a dresscode, it is caused by individuals. Focusing on symbols of faith as being 'bad' is dangerous. Taking it away will not end

YouTheCat · 24/01/2014 17:23

It is the stupidest thing I have read all day because it proposes using banning a woman's right to wear something to counteract that a few women may (or may not) be forced to wear something.

PeriodFeatures · 24/01/2014 17:24

(...oops) oppression anymore that stopping women going out in short skirts will prevent rape.

JimmyChooChoo · 24/01/2014 17:25

YouTheCat - it took all this time to come up with that?!

I really hope you're on a wind up

londonrach · 24/01/2014 17:25

Not seeing and facial expressions can be frightening to me....clowns are also very scary. I do find motorcycle helmets scary as I agreed with the op re the burqua! Sorry. You can see a lot about a person by their eyes and facial expressions. Older people eyes have so much experience and knowledge hidden in the eyes. Mind you I spent a few years as a child until a correction without much hearing so I watch peoples faces (I have 100% healing now). You be surprised how much information you give away that don't match to what you are saying.

londonrach · 24/01/2014 17:26

Not seeing eyes (don't know why it got lost!)

YouTheCat · 24/01/2014 17:27

No. I'm busy doing other things.

I really hope you're on a wind up too. Hmm

redshifter · 24/01/2014 17:27

- but I don't feel uneasy about what people choose to wear - be they nuns, drag queens or whoever

Do you feel the same about the 'Naked Rambler'?

Do you support a mans right to walk around your High St. Naked?

Or perhaps teach your infant school children with his penis on display in the classroom?

JimmyChooChoo · 24/01/2014 17:28

Not at all. You go ahead supporting sexist and inferior things imposed on women though

PeriodFeatures · 24/01/2014 17:30

sexist and inferior things imposed on women though

The thing is Jimmy not everyone views them as 'sexist and inferior' for some women they are empowering symbols of their faith.

gordyslovesheep · 24/01/2014 17:32

Blimey the 'Muslim women are all oppressed' card - really? Not the ones I know

Joysmum · 24/01/2014 17:32

I think it's down to the individual to make the choice that suits them.

Lots of very strong feelings on here. I personally are more offended by the sexism that exists in our Christian religions which is seen as normal.

YouTheCat · 24/01/2014 17:33

Why should you get to impose your views on these same women? What gives you the right?

harriet247 · 24/01/2014 17:33

Noo I dont and I think yabu-I lived in an area which was more muslims than whites for a few years so I dealt with burka wearing ladies everyday,schools,shops,neighbourly chats. Doesn't phase me.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/01/2014 17:34

I'm told that what muslim men are actually required to cover is the area between navel and knees, so in theory bare chests may be permissible though some could well be against the idea

Things they're definitely not supposed to wear include silk and gold - something I wish I'd known before I bought a friend a lovely silk tie many years ago!!!

PeriodFeatures · 24/01/2014 17:36

I personally are more offended by the sexism that exis and Its in our Christian religions which is seen as normal

absolutely. My ex best friend is a born again Christian is expected to be a housewife. (she's quite happy with this so it suits) This is Britain in 2014.

JimmyChooChoo · 24/01/2014 17:38

I'm astounded that people a small amount of people on this site that can't see that it's oppressing, degrading, sexist and makes women inferior.

What gives me the right? Maybe backside I believe in equality. I believe the women who do choose are telling the world that its okay to be inferior to men.

JimmyChooChoo · 24/01/2014 17:38

Backside ? I mean because

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