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AIBU?

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andrew mitchel

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poii10 · 11/01/2014 23:34

AIBU to think the people who asked for Mitchels nuts on skewer will send their apologies in, in the wake of the lying bastard copper.

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poii10 · 11/01/2014 23:36

Will all the peoples who tore Andwer Mitchell to shreds a while ago please send in thier apologies.

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Boreoff456 · 11/01/2014 23:38

Of course they won't. They will all say things like 'he probably said something like that. The police are damaging themselves and only the partial truth has come out. Don't think the rest ever will.

But people can't pass up the chance to have a go at 'Tories toff'

CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/01/2014 00:05

The correct phrase is 'tory scum'... apparently. YANBU OP. Whole thing was appalling and Mitchel was damned from the outset. NB Milliband's scuzzy lot aren't apologising either.

Onesleeptillwembley · 12/01/2014 00:18

I'm Tory (well was, still anything but Labour, though) and was actually convinced it was true. Not least because it fits with the albeit tenuous information I have about him. I'm disgusted this has happened though, and appalled by the further actions of the Police and authorities.
Sorry, Mr Mitchell for believing this. Doesn't change my opinion of you, though.
I do hope even more action is taken against the Police involved.

AngelaDaviesHair · 12/01/2014 00:53

I hope they do. I am not a Tory supporter but surely the whole point is that no one should ever be fitted up by police, no matter who they are.

sashh · 12/01/2014 05:04

I'm disgusted this has happened though, and appalled by the further actions of the Police and authorities.

This is how they treat a white, well spoken, powerful male - how do you think they treat minorities / poeple with no power/no voice?

I'm disgusted this has happened though, and appalled by the further actions of the Police and authorities.

please see above

risingsunshine · 12/01/2014 05:21

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TheXxed · 12/01/2014 05:42

sashh I was thinking the same thing.

Roshbegosh · 12/01/2014 05:45

The "tenuous information" is totally irrelevant. The police were idle shits not to open the gate for him in the first place and as for the rest of it, it's just shocking and a disgrace. Never mind about slurs against Mitchell, thank goodness he was in a position to prove his innocence - which he should never have to do.

beluga425 · 12/01/2014 07:28

Innocent of saying 'plebs', perhaps, but he's already admitted to swearing and causing a scene.
One deeply unpleasant rich powerful politician set up by one or (only possibly) more lying policemen.
Several million pounds of public money and months of air-time later. He's still deeply unpleasant and some police officers still lie.

Jaynebxl · 12/01/2014 07:37

Absolutely, Cupcake. He wasn't exactly an innocent victim who treated the police with respect, as he has admitted himself.

ChampagneTastes · 12/01/2014 08:07

I believed every word I'm afraid, particularly after his apology which sounded like someone being deliberately disingenuous. It is both appalling and terrifying that he was plotted against in this way. He didn't deserve any of it and I feel awful at having been taken in.

GlaikitFizzog · 12/01/2014 08:12

Didn't he admit to telling the to fuck off or something anyway? And really, because the wouldn't open the big gates so he could cycle through them when there was a perfectly good pedestrian gate he could use?

GlaikitFizzog · 12/01/2014 08:13

Xposts with cupofcake! Exactly what she said!

Hoppinggreen · 12/01/2014 08:16

The lengths that the officers went to to stitch him up were incredible.
The officer who has just been convicted wrote to him MP to say he witnessed the event when he didn't!!! Incredible
Also, Mitchell agreed to a confidential meeting with those involved and was ambushed and then events at the meeting were lied about too. Luckily he had recorded it.
It's all so unbelievable that I thought Mitchell must have done what he was accused of. I'm afraid it really damaged my faith in the police.

minibmw2010 · 12/01/2014 08:17

What annoys me is that even if Plebgate did happen (and I haven't decided either way), no-one will believe it because of that idiot PC.

roweeena · 12/01/2014 08:19

Personally I think it is absolutely disgraceful that a member of the cabinet swore at policeman. I don't care if he used the word pleb or not he still showed a level disrespect that should not be shown to someone who is actually there to protect him.

There's no smoke without fire.

Poppy67 · 12/01/2014 08:23

Why did Mitchell think he wuss above using the correct gate? If he had followed the rules set by his boss, Cameron, this wouldn't have happened. I am sure the government have it in for the police and I think they are destroying it rather quickly. I still support the police and believe most of them do a bloody good job in tough circumstances.

Enb76 · 12/01/2014 08:25

Strangely enough it didn't ring true for me at the time. Yes, I could imagine him swearing and being a total cunt but his educational background would have meant that if he used the word 'pleb' it would have been unlikely to be in anger. Pleb was always used as a jocular joshing sort of term, never in anger.

maillotjaune · 12/01/2014 08:47

I spoke to someone who works in news media and she said everyone believed it because of what they already knew of AM. Perhaps he should be reflecting on how he treats people, generally.

The police officer was an idiot to lie but I'm more concerned about the Duggan case than Plebgate tbh.

Poppy67 · 12/01/2014 09:00

Andrew Mitchell is has been involved in allegations of tax avoidance schemes, lobbying on behalf of donors and dodgy expenses. Let's start asking why the MPs are more morally correct, ethically correct, and honest. They are running the country (ha bloody ha) and are doing things for themselves, not for themselves.

This man is not some holier than thou character and should not have been a dick in the first place.

PrimroseLodge · 12/01/2014 09:01

The idiot policeman who wasn't there told a lie.

The officers who were actually there and recorded the altercation did not. They were investigated at considerable length and their evidence could not be disproved.

JazzAnnNonMouse · 12/01/2014 09:37

He may not have said that.
He's still Tory scum.

Hoppinggreen · 12/01/2014 09:42

So is it only unacceptable when police fabricate evidence against nice people?
He should have been judged on what happened and punished for that - if it was so bad why the need to make things up and lie about it?

meditrina · 12/01/2014 09:43

'Everyone' was so ready to coruscate the him and the Tories.

They were wrong.

Maintaining the 'nasty' narrative is very important to a weak opposition too. Making the Tories unfashionable is the only hope for the policy free party.

This is a good example of the depths to which manipulators will sink.

And it shows how people believe what they want to believe, and don't let go of such desires, even when the basis for them is shown so wrong and has led to a guilty plea by a key perpetrator.

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