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AIBU?

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Another AIBU about a MIL...!

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principalitygirl · 07/01/2014 20:35

MIL lives a couple of hundred miles away. She's retired and DS - a toddler - is her only grandchild. We've generally got on well but since DS was born we've had a few tensions, mainly as I've found her a bit 'suffocating' as regards DS, sometimes acting more like his mum than gran at times. (e.g. she recently told me that she had a dream in which she was BF-ing DS...?! I made it clear that I found this a bit odd! She also always wants to have him to herself when she visits, or at least that's how I feel...)

She clearly adores DS though and last year, as a result of her very frequent visits to us, usually for two or three nights each time, and us making a few visits to her too she saw DS a total of 16 times, the last being at Christmas. She keeps count of the visits I should add, and tells me.

I posted a version of this post around Christmas but posted in an existing thread by mistake. She'd announced mid-family meal that she and DS have a plan to go to EuroDisney when he's five... I felt compelled to smile and say 'lovely' but instead said what felt which is that we should discuss it first and he'd probably need to be older than five. I also thought why can't we all go? The only person who responded to my post then thought I am being selfish and controlling...?
What do others think?

I know some grandparents couldn't give a toss so try to focus on the positives of how my MIL is, I want DS to have a good relationship with her of course and it's handy to have her babysit for the odd evening when she visits, but I really find it difficult to think that she's going to be visiting this often for the next 18 years or so....

I work PT and DS goes to nursery so timing the visits is tricky. Midweek isn't ideal but should I really be expected to spend one weekend a month visiting her or having her to stay? AIBU?

OP posts:
sarahquilt · 08/01/2014 19:20

The breastfeeding dream sounds weird. That would freak me out tbh. YANBU in my opinion. She shouldn't be inviting herself over. She's overstepping the boundary!

paxtecum · 08/01/2014 19:43

I've taken my DGC away camping (one at a time) on my own for three nights when they were four.

We had a brilliant time.

The DGCs stay at their other GMs house frequently and love their time there.

I think it is wonderful for children to have close relationships with extended family who love them so much.

Threads like this make me sad.

wouldbemedic · 08/01/2014 21:04

It really annoys me when people say 'trust me, you'll be glad to get rid of them when they're x years old', and 'you should put your feet up and enjoy a nap/you time when GPs are around'. Why should parents be glad to get rid of their children as they get older? If anything, children improve as they age :) And why do people assume we're all dying to put our feet up? What are we, eighty? I think it's just GC trying to dress up what they want to do as somehow selfless.

The idea that GPs and GCs bond better on their own together has always seemed ridiculous to me. The poster up-thread who commented on how difficult it is when mum is around 'always ready to jump in' reveals the bias. I'm certainly not waiting to jump in when my child's grandparents are around, because I love her and want them to have the spotlight while they're with her. Equally, for reason specific to our family, they enjoy her while I'm there or not at all. This may spoil their fun a little, but it doesn't bother my DD remotely. It's easy to see how parents can get the impression their ILs would prefer to have them off the scene, which is exactly what you don't want in a loving family!

FuckingWankwings · 09/01/2014 17:12

paxtecum, I think one of the major problems the OP has is the assumption by MIL that she will just take her grandson away on her own. She hasn't asked, there's been no room for discussion, just an announcement.

I'm sure the OP also thinks it's wonderful for her DS to have close relationships with his loving extended family; it's just the manner of her MIL's going about it that's getting her back up.

Beautifulbabyboy · 09/01/2014 19:21

We actually don't know what the OP thinks as she hadn't been back....

OpalQuartz · 09/01/2014 19:33

"she recently told me that she had a dream in which she was BF-ing DS...?! I made it clear that I found this a bit odd!"

It was just a dream. It isn't odd.

principalitygirl · 09/01/2014 19:42

I'll be back soon. Usually MN on my
days off work but I've been out all day today. I want to reply properly - there are lots of posts to read through first - but will hopefully get back on here later once dinner and chores are done.

OP posts:
Phineyj · 09/01/2014 19:46

YANBU, having any houseguest this often would drive me nuts! Is there any prospect of more GC in the family to dilute the attention a bit?

Your DH is out of order.

Tbh as a houseguest I'd want people to be pleased to see me rather than internally groaning as it feels like I've only just left.

I do know several people where the DM or DMIL stays over one night a week and does childcare the following day instead of a nursery day. Would you & MIL be up for that, or does she like being wined and dined as well as seeing GC?

Phineyj · 09/01/2014 19:48

Then you have less time in which to annoy each other, you save money and MIL can proudly state she saw GC 48 times a year (or whatever). It's the same number of nights roughly.

RedactedEdition · 09/01/2014 21:52

I raised a similar suggestion yesterday morning phiney Grin
Yet to hear OP's view of pro-actively managing/utilising MILs time usefulness visits

chocolatemademefat · 10/01/2014 12:19

YABU. By the time your child is five you may be happy to get a break while he goes off with a grandparent who obviously loves him. If not, tell her you'll all go - that way he gets to spend time with her. As for sixteen visits a year being too much - really? Use the time she's there to do things for yourself and let her spend time with her grandson. She probably realises a bit of how you feel but unless you sit down with her and discuss it she'll probably blunder on. My son has never had a doting grandparent and I feel he's really missed out.
This is about your son and the relationship he can have with his grandmother. Time to get out of your teenage strunt.

2014newme · 10/01/2014 12:22

Take him to disneyland before he is five. Don't tell her.

HomeIsWhereTheGinIs · 10/01/2014 12:45

I just want to make one point here. When your son is grown, married and had a baby of his own, how often would you want to see it?

That said, if the houseguest situation is too much, can you find other ways to let them spend time together? For example, a week together every few months with video link contact in between (if your mil and your DS have the same book she can read it to him for example). Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want my pil to stay once a month. But I do think they have a right to see my DS and so I encourage them to get involved. Would days out in between your homes help maybe?

Sixweekstowait · 10/01/2014 14:29

What Home said

2014 - well that's really a good solution isn't it- really helpful.

IloveJudgeJudy · 10/01/2014 14:29

I haven't read the whole thread, but have to add that DB2 and SIL took DS1 when he was 5 and "her" nephew was 6, to Disneyland Paris for four days. DH, I and the rest of the family have never been. DS1 is the only one. He had a great time away from his parents. I had no qualms whatsoever. I was just glad for him that they gave him such a lovely time. We couldn't have gone to Disneyland ourselves for financial and practical reasons so he was just so lucky. That's the way I've always seen things. They took him to see Santa when he was young, before we did, but they did so much for him we really didn't mind. We haven't been able to do nearly as much for their DS (who is much younger than our DC), partly for practical reasons and because he won't sleep at anyone's house.

I think, like many others on this thread, that you should be glad that you've got a MIL who so obviously loves your DS. MIL could never be bothered, and my father was not the nicest to the DGC so they never really went out with GPs when they were younger.

principalitygirl · 11/01/2014 11:39

MN Ok, I wanted to reply properly and this is first chance I've had. Lots of interesting views and advice and esp interesting to get GO's views too.

On DH's view - initially when DS was tiny he thought I was exaggerating but then saw some of MIL's at times 'suffocating' / know it all approach himself and he does now acknowledge that MIL can be a bit much and says I should tell her if she's interfering or being too much, but, as I said, he's at work for most of her visit time. He does always say though that she should fit around what we / me and DS have planned when she visits. I do feel that I can't just take DS out and about without her when she's travelled especially to visit him though. Usually I'll take her to any classes or playgroups with us.

On the BF dream, I do maintain it's odd. Wherever you stand on dreams (reflection of subconscious or just random sleeping thoughts), why mention it? I find it creepy and, on reflection, insensitive as I had a mountain of probs BFing DS (stuck with it for some reason though!), as MIL well knows. She on the other hand breast fed all three of hers til at least a year old with no problems.

Which brings me to another point. I'm in my mid 30s and DS took a long while to conceive. We needed assisted conception in the end. MIL knows this. I also work part time. MIL conceived her three with no problems and was a SAHM til the youngest was in school. So maybe I feel that she doesn't appreciate that as much as she wants to see DS as much as possible (and as nice and desirable that is - I DO want her involved), visiting quite as often as she does is more than I'm comfortable with. both in terms of having a house guest for two or three nights once a month or less, and in terms of 'sharing' the time that DH and I get with DS. The extent to which she still 'babies' and spends loads of time with her younger son - now 30 - makes me wonder why she doesn't get this. We also have friends living in other parts of the country who have come to visit or go to see a few times a year which also needs factoring in.

Someone asked about other GC. now or soon. There are none and none in the offing. DH's siblings are both still single.

On Disney , I should say that it's an unusual choice for MIL who's pretty left wing and right on. DH hates Disney due to Walt's Nazi links but I tell him to relax a bit...! As some posters identified, it's the assumption that gets my goat. If the situation was reversed i.e. I announce mid-family meal that I've spoken to DS and we've decided that MIL WILL take him to Disney Paris when he's five that would surely be seen as manipulative and unreasonable...? She should ask DH and I before making plans, even if just in her head and yes, especially as DS gets older, not try to collude with him in this way.

As I said, she's always wanted to take DS away by herself whether out for walks or upstairs to his room. This was v annoying when I was BFing on demand a hungry young baby. Yes I wanted a break but my baby also needed me and I was surprised at her attitude a few times when I asked her to bring him back by a specific time for a feed. She was obviously irked which I found surprising, esp as she had BF herself. I also remember me telling me when I was pregnant how it used to really irritate her when her FIL used to refer to DH (her first born, as DS is mine...) as 'HIS' boy and take him from her to hold etc... I agree with other posters that time alone isn't necessary for bonding. Some is nice maybe but why can't time be spent together more?

The suggestion of shorter, more frequent stays is a good one, ideally combining with childcare on a day I work but it's not doable unfortunately as it takes MIL about 4 hrs to get to us on public transport. Would be quicker if she drove but she's a nervous driver and enjoys the train. Some friends have a similar arrangement to that suggested but their parents and ILs only live 1h/2h away.

MIL is helpful when stays. She doesn't cook -not her strength anyway - but will pop vacuum round, iron a few bits etc which is helpful. And I do use the time she's here to have some 'me' time which gives her the alone time with DS she craves.

My parents live 40 mins drive away. They see DS about once a week for an afternoon or couple of hours and usually I'm there all that time too. They are older than MIL but can still manage DS between them fine. About once a month they take him out for an afternoon and then babysit him at ours for DH and I to have a night out. They've not had DS overnight yet but have offered to do so when we're ready. A main difference is that I can tell them much more easily if they do something I'm not happy with etc. I love my parents dearly but there's no way that DH, DS and I could live with them, let alone with my ILs and I think that's normal! (Someone mentioned living with their parents or in laws...?!)

I think I'll have a chat with DH about boundaries re things like trips out and Disney and also about visit frequency and will try to have him around more when she's here. Then again, him taking annual leave for two days every month isn't possible either. We need to use annual leave for holidays etc.

I wish we could Skype with MIL but she's not really a technology person and we're not much better. Ipads all round for facetime is a bit of an expense too. Will investigate Skype and ipads though.

I do want MIL involved in DS's life - I lost one set of grandparents when I was still in infant school and the other set died before I was born - so I know what a luxury grandparents are. I just need MIL to back off a bit. Yes she won't be around forever but DS won't be little forever and I want to enjoy him as much as possible while he's young.

OP posts:
principalitygirl · 11/01/2014 11:39

*other GP's views' (line one)

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nevergoogle · 11/01/2014 18:47

all sounds very sensible OP, sounds like you just need to work on being assertive with her to make sure you don't get pushed into stuff you're not comfortable with.

ChatNicknameUnavailable · 11/01/2014 18:53

I have skim read, but two points jump out.

Your MIL has seen your dc 16 times a year.

You visit your patents every week.

Yet you are bitching about seeing your MIL too often?

On this point yabvu.

DIYapprentice · 11/01/2014 18:57

ChitNicknameUnavailable - but those 16 times are for a few days, and her parents only see them for an afternoon. Hour for hour, the MIL gets a way better deal!

nevergoogle · 11/01/2014 19:14

i agree, staying over in somebody's house for 3 days is much less tolerable than meeting up or visiting 3 times for a shorter time.

diddl · 11/01/2014 19:21

Re the childcare when you work-could she come over the evening before, then have a full day & night & back the next morning for example?

4hrs is quite a trek, but doesn't need 3/4 days stayover.

Caitlin17 · 11/01/2014 19:40

I'd find it suffocating having her stay so often.

Mentioning the dream is weird.

On Euro Disney I'd take a rain check on what she and your son are like nearer the time. It might be fine, it might not.

Meerka · 11/01/2014 20:30

DeWe, red and wouldbemedic's advice seem ideal to me.

There's clearly a general suffocatingness at the moment, but she also -means- well.

She needs to understand that before making plans to go away with the GC she does need to talk to you two first. That's courtesy and respect.

Regarding coming every 4 weeks, if it feels too much then it is too much. maybe every 5-6 weeks? since shorter visits seem difficult cause of the travel?

The dream, at first I didnt see the problem then I thought how it might be if my MIL said that and it does feel invasive. But I'm not sure what you can really say about it, unless you can gently say, maybe with a bit of humour "hehe after all the difficulty I had establishing bfing, I feel that's my area" .. or something similar but gentler .. depends on how you say it.

Do think you need to speak to her gently but clearly (or your DH does) regarding treating you two as the parents, not being the direct parent herself.

She clearly is loving and means very well so it's very, very well worth trying to speak to her and just renegotiating so that there are no longerterm resentments

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