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To buy this land and risk upsetting the tenants next door

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Mrsdavidcaruso · 04/01/2014 12:31

Long story short. My house is at the back of a large house which was converted into flats last year. I own the freehold to my property and have had problems with the tenants of the flats parking on what is actually my land. It got bad when the LL of the large house 'rented' a part of my property to one of his tenants as an extra parking space and it took a long time and solicitors letters to get it all sorted.

I also had to spend money on getting bollards and a fence to ensure no-one parked on my property.

My property is at the end of a T shape and I part is used as a passage to my house ( I have legal access over it) and a parking area for 5 cars rented by the LL to his tenants

However because of all the problems my solicitor has done some digging to ensure my legal right of way and that nothing comes back to bite me on the bum with the owners of the large house.

It then got interesting - it seems that the LL bought the large house at auction on a 99 year lease. My Solicitor saw the legal pack and there was no mention of the land on the paperwork.

He has now found out through the freeholder that the land does not actually belong to the large house but to the house next door.

The freeholder of the house next door has confirmed yes its his land but as he does not live in the house was unaware that the LL of the large house was using it as far as he was aware only I had access to it.

He has now contacted my Solicitors and offered to sell me the land, If I don’t want to buy he is going to offer the LL the chance to lease it from him but if he does that I am worried about my own access across it.

I am very tempted I can enlarge my garden and my husband (who rents a garage ) can also park his car on the property we can afford it and it may increase the value of my house and provide a safer environment for my DS and bump when he/she arrives.

But that is not going to sit well with the tenants of the large house and I can forsee huge problems with them as a couple were very abusive to me during the problem with the parking before.

I have a couple of weeks to decide. I know it would not fair to the tenants but its something they will have to take up with their LL as either he has been badly advised/mistaken or is chancing his arm renting out parking spaces when he knows its not his land (I suspect the latter).

According to my Solicitor there would be no legal or planning issues if I wanted to change the area to a larger garden (although I will check with the council myself)

So would I be UR to buy it

OP posts:
MerryWinterfel · 16/01/2014 09:28

Has the landlord got his letter yet?

Lj8893 · 16/01/2014 09:37

What's odd is the way you said why these people wanted to buy the house. You were so blasé about it!

YellowDinosaur · 16/01/2014 10:07

Lj its not odd. if coco had said the story without the reason the neighbours clubbed together to buy the house the first question would have been 'why did they do that?' Agree its a shit thing for them to do but don't shoot the messenger.

I too am waiting with bated breath for the letters arrival......

minibmw2010 · 16/01/2014 10:13

I don't think Coco was being blasé, she was just explaining a reason for the house purchase. End of.

Kikibee · 16/01/2014 10:22

Wow, brilliant op, loving the updates :)

Lj8893 · 16/01/2014 10:32

Tbf I didn't say coco was odd in the 1st place, that was someone else.
I think its disgusting that people didn't want a home for people with LD near them though, and the way I read cocos original post it seemed she was one of those people, or at least didn't see anything wrong with the situation. Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

LoopyLobster · 16/01/2014 10:33

Great thread

curiousgeorgie · 16/01/2014 11:24

I've just read this whole thread (and your other thread!) and awaiting with baited breath to see what happens when the landlord gets the letter!

PenelopePipPop · 16/01/2014 11:32

"Some people are just very very snobbish, very scared of anything they don't understand.

.. more likely worried about the effect on the value of their home."

There is a poncey town about 6m from me where a group of w**kers petitioned to stop some independent living flats for adults with learning disabilities being opened. I'll never buy a house there because the risk of living next door to a disablist bigot is just too high. Like not wanting to live in an area with a UKIP or BNP councillor. I'd have thought it is the bigots that bring down the neighbourhood.

(Sorry Mrs DavidCaruso - as you were re parking, keep fighting the good fight etc.)

Lambzig · 16/01/2014 13:14

Thanks for updating OP (shameless place marking).

I hope when the tenants do find out, you have funny stories to post rather than the relentless bullying you had before. Somehow I expect the tenants will back off now your DH is around.

PeterAndresSprayTanner · 16/01/2014 18:42

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Lamu · 17/01/2014 14:41

Op you have been very reasonable. Just be prepared for shit to hit the fan. And make sure your car is safe and secure after the tenants are made aware.

TinyDiamond · 17/01/2014 15:23

Just read your whole thread and did a little sky punch for you! As a tenant I usually find myself siding with them as I think we get a raw deal. But in this case NO WAY. You have so done the right thing.
Their LL needs putting in his place.
Tenants sound hideous though. Hopefully if they have no parking they will bugger off.
Happy for you and your future garden OP Grin

MiscellaneousAssortment · 17/01/2014 16:39

Oh I really hope we get an update though poor you OP with all day (def not morning) sickness, you may not feel as jubilante as we do on your behalf!

DameDeepRedBetty · 17/01/2014 20:27

So now at 390 replies and still no yabus... definitely the record!

Coco's point just goes to show how unnecessarily complicated property selling and buying can be in England and Wales.

nickelbabe · 17/01/2014 23:11

I've caught up now.

what a twat that tenant is! does she not realise that empty wheelie bins are dead easy to move! why would you even complain.about that?? Shock
just fucking move the bin!
or did she see you give the binmen a really big christmas tip to make sure they put your binnacross her car?
on my row, we even put each other's bins away if we get home before they do.

NotActuallyAMum · 18/01/2014 12:47

Is anyone else looking forward to hearing the outcome of this far more than they should be? Grin

SkateLife · 18/01/2014 12:48

Yanbu, of course you should've bought the land. I do feel sorry for the other tenants (not the twatty ones).

QuintessentialShadows · 18/01/2014 12:52

It us unreasonable to plonk a car down on grass. Especially grass you dont own.

HSMMaCM · 18/01/2014 14:21

I think we should all go to the OP's house the day they get their letters. For moral support of course (not to cheer or anything). We could help erect a fence :)

HeadfirstThroughTheTimeVortex · 18/01/2014 14:33

Good luck OP, I don't know how you stayed calm when the neighbour was telling you to shift then bin off your land but well done Grin

SquinkiesRule · 18/01/2014 14:45

Oh great, I can't wait hear what kind of reaction you get from the LL and tenants.

Lweji · 18/01/2014 14:56

Ooh, I had missed the purchase update. Congratulations. :)

Also keen to read reactions updates.

bumbleymummy · 18/01/2014 15:43

Glad to see the update! :) Hope all goes well when the LL gets the letter.

VivaLeBeaver · 18/01/2014 21:15

MrsDavid, how's it going? Have you told them yet?