To think these people are utter scum, and i am sick to the back teeth with them all

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Private Equity manager Adrian Beecroft has donated over half a million pounds to the Tories since 2005.

Beecroft is the head of the private equity group that administers Wonga. The typical interest rate on a Wonga loan is an incredible 5,853% APR!

the Tory party are resisting regulation of Payday lending sector. Does this resistance have anything to do with the fact that one of their biggest donors runs one of the biggest legal loan shark operations in the country?

So, all countries with a socialist party in power are "killing millions".

Haven't you heard about all the mass graves in today's France Mintyy?

Oh, wait....

I can't believe these hackneyed rantings about socialists= genocidal maniacs are being trotted out again. Because Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, the Greek colonels and other right wing dictators were the saviours of humanity were they?

The trouble with the modern Labour party is its desire to bankrupt us.

The trouble with the modern Tory party is its desire to bankrupt us.

I need to show you this. Harris Academy. They got caught this summer, cheating in their BTEC Science. What it doesnt tell you is three of their SLT were sacked as complicit, and the whole science department as corrupt

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2507725/Teacher-rewrote-pupils-coursework-academy-bump-final-grades.html

Harris Beckenham got away with cheating their English coursework

I assume that all the right wingers on thread refused to take their stautory maternity leave, so disgusted must they have been that it wasmurdering socialist union scum who campaigned for it to be introduced....

wow bohemiangirl, i didn't know that.

Thanks for these links Custardo. I notice no-one has tried to argue with the data. Instead we've had 'boring' 'long political discussions will turn off posters' and 'anything vaguely resembling socialism in power will lead to mass murder of the population' so I can't say there have been any robust challenges to the idea that what the OP and her subsequent post describe is very, very wrong.

I am pretty disillusioned with the Labour party atm but I do not, and never will, believe that not voting is the way to address this. Like the earlier poster I voted LibDem last time - needless to say that will not happen again. So Labour it will have to be with the hope that Ed gets his act together.

Real socialism is, by definition, democratic, economically and politically. but in a capitalist society, it is an illusion just as minitheminx said up the thread.

the illusion is because all the political power is in the hands of those who hold the wealth.

Socialism prioritises people and not profit.

i agree mellow - i will use my vote becuase the working class worked and fought and marched and died so that i can have it.

the choice is piss poor to be fair

No-one tried to argue that her links were fatually correct - the assumption that the donation was corrupt has been challenged.
I also challenged the assumption that the tories are against poor people, the just have a different idea of how to help poor people.
Socialist countries that take everything and then distribute them (from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs) have failed, repeatedly.
This is because, as i said upthread, people are selfish.
As no-one appears to be making any sensible polotical arguments for socialism, i will try a moral argument.
Why should the rich give to the poor, either through tax or charity?

Oh don't be so silly Carol.

Poor people just sound whiny

Throws cake.

"CustardoPaidforIDSsYFronts Mon 30-Dec-13 21:52:51
i agree mellow - i will use my vote becuase the working class worked and fought and marched and died so that i can have it.

the choice is piss poor to be fair"

Ditto

Were the suffragettes working class?

Mintyy

why silly - genuine question?

Has this country somehow slipped across the Atlantic when I wasn't looking ? I thought it was only in the USA that socialism and communism are thought to be the same.

Exit The "poster girls" were middle/upper middle class; I'm sure the movement gained traction with working class women - perhaps not until decades later i.e "Made in Dagenham" - working class women at Ford's in Dagenham, Essex.
Also, working class women in one or two councils over the past 2-4 years fighting for equal pay, with males, of similar grades.

My question was rhetorical.

Thanks.

Thanks for linking the link again Custardo.
I think everyone should look at the link, and see what the REAL problem is and it's nothing to do with current 2 party politics because they are both in bed with those top 1%....

I think it suits the 1% to have us all fighting and slagging each other off - even if we are 'average' high earning Tories, we are still way way below the snout shovelers who are up top. As the poverty line moves higher up the graph and higher earners find themselves struggling, they may see that what people want is NOT communism - as the link says, that's NEVER going to happen. That 1% are not going to take you with them- they are not going to give you a ladder to reach their heights, god no, they are taking it all and pulling the ladder up behind them. It suits them to have some relatively well off people, because then those people think alls good with them, and keep supporting the institutions which the 1% feed from, and which are bleeding the world dry, as well as causing environmental and world suicide.....

But the belief of what people THINK the distribution of wealth is in this country, and the reality of what is ACTUALLY is, is so far from each other that it's completely incomprehensible that anyone is actually supporting it. The fighting and Tory scum/communist murderers is just a distraction.
But what to do? What can be done? Bugger all probably, until those who actually do the bidding of the 1% decide they won't turn man against demonised man and recognise them as fellow humans, till the police and the army refuse to shoot on the order of the politician when sent in to stop the riots... We are only a few days from meltdown at any point - oil blocks stop the food hitting the supermarkets, and because of the distribution network and the destruction of local supply for big business it wouldn't be long before there is no food on the shelves. Hungry people are a riot waiting to happen - hence the attempts to portray the unions as irresponsible and reckless.
Probably get flamed for this, as alarmist conspiracy nonsense, but it's the sort of stuff that rumbles through my mind on a Monday night at the end of the year....

Lights joss sticks.

Wafts calming odours.

You CAN be well off and care about equality. In fact you are more likely to get something actually done, the poor are too bloody busy trying to make ends meet than to have too much time to be lobbying, throwing themselves under horses, etc

ExitPursuedByAChristmasGrinch,Emmeline Pankhurst wasn't working class and i seem to think that she was demanding suffrage for married middle class women at a time when some men didn't have the right to vote. She also disowned her daughter because she joined the communist party. The daughter wanted to win suffrage for the working class women of the East end, mummy wouldn't have anything to do with such lowly working women.

whilst the suffragettes are rightly held in high esteem as pivotal agitators for women's franchise, there was a whole battle ( a series of) before that

the history of the chartists and peterloo massacre must be known in addition to the story of women's sufferage.

and the french revolution had the top people shit scared

and i love that the 99% marches took off around the world - in desperate hope that the people at the top in this country will shit themselves and give something to keep the masses quiet much like disreli did

So who's first for the guillotine?