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To want to strangle dd1?

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ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 28/12/2013 22:58

Omfg shit wank bollocks crap

Got a letter today from council saying benefit completely stopped citing the reason being that I have a non dependent, bill for hb overpayment alone is near enough 2 grand. Confused
I've sent a curt letter back stating that dd doesn't have a wage, she's in college full time.
I've been sending off proof of college attendance for both dd and ds to all and sundry and am even still getting CHB for dd until next year, so I should know, right?
Wrong.
As it turns out, when dd has been saying she's been volunteering, going shopping, visiting her boyfriend, swimming, ect, it transpires the little fucker madam has actually been working, an hasn't fucking let me know! Confused

To say I'm pissed is an understatement - I'm sitting here in shock an horror. I was looking forward to being debt free this year after going majorly without to pay bills, and debts. The last debt I have ends in feb, a loan from the social fund I took out ages ago.
I want to cry and throw up, but I can't. She's been working since fucking September FFs and I've been busy with a new baby so haven't been as on the ball as I usually am. I actually asked her not long ago what she was going to do when she left college.
I could feel the colour draining from my face when she admitted she had been working and not at college like if thought.
She has even been asking me for help with college work.
Basically she has very cleverly lived a double life, and I didn't have a shitting clue Hmm she's also arranged to move out in the new year, she obviously knew this was coming.
Basically having worked it all out I think I'm looking at a total of around seven grand Confused
What the pissing hell do I do? Already been through the bloody mill with other stuff this year, and in the past, I don't think I can face the reality of this to be honest, I know I have to.
Am thinking of arranging for her support worker to meet with us both don't know what it will achieve but I'm so angry I need to tell them they have brought up a money grabbing lying little fuckbag and the other half of me is being all loving mom like 'don't worry, thanks for telling me the truth, its nothing we can't sort out' while my demon on the shoulder is tellin me I want to throttle her. Sorry for the venting obviously I wouldn't hurt her really, she's made a big mistake but hey ho
I don't know now whether to keep her working and pay everything and the arrears which defeats the object of the reason she worked without telling me, so she could keep all her money to spend on crap like a ps4 she told me her dad had brought for Xmas.
Sorry for rambling an no construction to post, I'm still in shock I think Hmm

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NearTheWindmill · 29/12/2013 08:38

The company she's working for will have a payroll service. They will be able to help you over the exact amounts and provide an official letter for you. Hopefully this "crisis" can be the catalyst for you both to start supporting each other better and for you both to get the help you need in this situation. It very much sounds as though you both need referral for family counselling, support. Can you also make an appointment with college to see how far behind she is and what her options are there.

SoWhatDoWeDoNow · 29/12/2013 08:46

Why has this become all about budgeting? Confused

The issue is not about the DD's lack of ability to budget, it's about her ability to lie consistently and needlessly for several months, every day about something pretty bloody massive, because she didn't want to have to give any money to her mother.

Did she actually drop out of college without telling you? Were there no letters coming the house about this? No phone calls? Surely someone with her complicated background would have had someone following her progress and liaising with college about attendance? Did all of this pass you by and yet the benefits office managed to find out about it? Confused

cjel · 29/12/2013 09:06

Have nothing useful to add, except glad you feel calmer and yes I would get her to contribute to any money you have to pay backSmile

lougle · 29/12/2013 09:06

It hasn't become all about budgeting, but it is a life skill Ann's it's better to sort that out now while her Mum is there to pick up the pieces.

The other stuff is a much harder problem.

Oakmaiden · 29/12/2013 11:57

SoWhat - the girl has been going to college - she has just been doing a job as well.

AnnabelleLee · 29/12/2013 12:50

She spent nine years in care while her mother went on to have other children...is it really any wonder she might not be particularly loyal to her mother? I'd say she had to get used to looking out for herself,that doesn't just disappear you know.

ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 31/12/2013 03:33

Oops i see posting in AIBU has brought out all the judges.
Fwiw. I have paid more than a passing interest to DD. She has said so herself, i allow her independence, she is, after all, a bloody adult. A vulnerable adult, but an adult nonetheless.
We speak openly about everything.
She has admitted that in part, she kept quiet about the job (she didnt keep quiet, she fucking LIED.. 'I'm off to meet boyfriend at * insert name of workplace here' 'I'm going to the gym/swimming' 'Do you need any money?' 'No, its free because boyfriend* works there' but for the sake of peace i've accepted the explaination of she kept it 'quiet'
For clarity, she has continued FT education, done the job on the side.

I've let her know i feel sad about being deliberately deceived. I believe she's sorry.
Thank you to everyone who has stuck up for me.
Hints and tips : Read the full thread, please, before posting judgemental crappy comments.

Annabelle. Thanks for your constructive comment. Allow me to reply.
Yes, dd was in care, for almost 11 years. I had her back following her being assaulted in a placement. For the third time during her time in care.
It sounds bad, but i didn't really want her back, i could see problems arising from it. I had been allowed so little contact with her that her first year here was like having a lodger and i don't doubt that she would have her own things to say. Over time our relationship improved, with work from both sides, but (rightly so) mainly mine.
As for my 'further children' do you think life stops for 11 years? Are we not allowed to move on?
I was upset about having to move from our home to a completely new area, told to move by ss who insisted if we moved house, they would return her.
After moving, i was told i no longer had a support network. No fucking shit, i had moved area away from family and friends! They cited this as a reason not to return her. So they told me to move, to get her back, told HER she was coming back, then changed their minds.
I had a termination, to prevent her coming home to a new baby, i didnt want her to think that i'd forgotten, replaced, ect, her.
My DS was still at home, my life stopped pretty much for six of the eleven years while i fought to get her home, only admitting defeat when the ss obtained a court order preventing me from making any more applications. Four years after that, i had little DS2, DD was fifteen then. She was among the first to be told, and i had little DD2 when she was at home with us, this year. So i clung on to my old life, refusing to move on for the sake of dd returning to a home that wasnt much changed, basically over 11 years i had to loosen my grip on that very unreasonable expectation on myself.

And as for being in care, no, it can't be very nice, but trust me, it results often in spoilt, entitled kids, not ready or prepared for the outside world, whether ASD or not. DD had pocketmoney (quite a high amount imo) however she wasnt allowed to go stay at friends houses or go shopping alone/with friends. She didnt really have friends, in part through ASD and in another because friendships are all but unsustainable when you can't go out with your friends shopping, or have giggly sleepovers without the parents needing to do a CRB check. I did complain heartily about this, and i believe now things are different. She also, in one year, had THREE holidays abroad, and one in this country. Four holidays, a lot of people i'm sure would love just one bloody holiday. She also had clothing allowance.
She wasn't told about budgeting, contraception, anything really, she couldn't cook, has some mad fascination with buying DVD's and every games console going. Hell it took me six months to get her to come out of her room and sit with us as a family, a lot of coaxing, encouragement, she said she couldn't take the hustle and bustle. I had to relax the no food in bedrooms rule because otherwise for the first few months she wouldn't have eaten. The foster carers let her sit for hours on end in her room. Bill paying and shopping are doable, but only if a list is written and has to be very specific.
She would live on mcdonalds and pot noodles if i let her (typical teen there then) .. when she had her compensation money i tried to encourage her to pass her driving test, explained how valuable a skill driving is, no joy there, she brought dvds and games consoles, clothes, shoes, but not just a few, heaps.. and shoes probably a pair a week...I did question what she was doing, but i couldn't stop her spending her own money, the social services pretty much told me to butt out but not in those exact words of course. Next thing i knew, she was skint again.
They are simply not bothered.

Oh and for the last three years of her being in care, she didn't even have an allocated social worker. She has said herself, if she hadn't come here, she would have struggled to live independently and feels like they 'cut her loose' .. they have basically had very little contact with her during the past couple of years she has lived with me, except by phone, and there has been months without contact unless she has called them first. So basically if she hadn't returned home she would have been chucked out into the big wide world ill equipped to deal with it and with an over inflated sense of entitlement.
Frankly i am disgusted that this was allowed to happen.
A couple of years of living with me has grounded her and i've advised her as best i can but without a very close relationship, it has been extremely hard.
I know i don't have to explain myself to a bunch of strangers on an internet forum but there you fucking have it.

ANYWAY .. for anyone who helped, and sees anyone else in a similar position. Calls today to CHB and CTC have gone like this. As dd is in FT education and working less than 20 hours per week, nothing is affected.
The council have said they won't backdate the HB to the point at which they stopped it. Seems bloody unfair but oh well, suppose i'll have to suck that up.
I've sent in wage slips and started praying.

Booked dd for an assessment for aspergers which is long fucking overdue, only to be told by her this morning that she was taken to see a counsellor about her behaviour, later on told by SS that it was an assessment for ASD which i had already been told years ago. So basically, the reason they took her, was her ASD type behaviour which was blamed on me and lack of attachment and now they've admitted they should have supported us all those years ago rather than remove her from my care

I suppose i'd better stop there. Thanks if you're still reading and thank you so much once again to all those who posted with positive or helpful comments and advice.
Screw you to all those who took the opportunity to be an arsehole.
:)

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ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 31/12/2013 03:35

Sorry should have said she admitted she kept quiet about the job because she wanted 'her' money to herself.

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MrsBonkers · 31/12/2013 03:48

7k???
You've received 7k since sept?

ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 31/12/2013 03:51

Oh and debt (thankfully, i think) is standing at £1,700 ish until they recalculate.
I have everything crossed :-/

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ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 31/12/2013 03:55

No MrsBonkers thankfully that was a waaaay out overcalculation made in the throes of a major 'oh shit' moment.
But if it had have been that would have been backdated Child Benefit, Child tax credit, housing and council tax benefit

Got my tin foil hat on for the old judgy pants anyway so jog on if thats what you're about to do

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Joysmum · 31/12/2013 04:04

I think you sound amazing. Get some sleep if you can x

NearTheWindmill · 31/12/2013 08:37

Bloody hell OP. That sounds very tough. I hope you all have better times ahead.

cjel · 31/12/2013 08:52

Morning OP. I am glad that you feel better about the amount of debt and wish you and dd all the best for the futurex

DipMeInChocolate · 31/12/2013 08:58

OP, you sound like you've both had a really hard time of since she was little.
I hope you manage to resolve the finances with minimum disruption. Is there any way you can use this as a bonding opportunity to work with esch other to get through this.

He11y · 31/12/2013 09:30

If she continued to study full time then you don't owe any council or housing benefit as her income would be disregarded so long as she was still a student.

Well, that is the case up to 18 anyway! Check it out as that would obviously reduce your overpayment.

FWIW I would have gone ballistic and I think this is one of those situations where the internet is a godsend.

Yes you will get criticism, but in the grand scheme of things, your relationship with your daughter is more important.

You know she's had a hard time and you know she vulnerable, so maintaining a relationship so she has someone she can talk to and seek advice from when she moves out is invaluable - you just can't put a price on that.

That doesn't mean you should let her ride rough shod over you but rather try and maintain a relationship built on trust and honesty and hope she learns that relationships feel better when they are open and supportive.

She has probably learnt the opposite up into now.

BlackDaisies · 31/12/2013 09:47

Fantastic last few posts OP. Hope things work out for you and your dd Thanks

ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 31/12/2013 10:59

Thanks everyone x
Sorry mrs
I was grouchy after my epic last post last night so feel the need to explain just in case anyone thinks '7k?!?!' I tell you who sat there obviously enjoying my discomfort and revelling in the fact one of my kids had screwed up - exp. I shouldn't really have spoken to him about it but thought he was a bit more sensible than he reacted,
Whipping his trusty phone calculator out and announced I would owe about seven grand which sent me into a tiz and I immediately posted here. I don't want this to become a benefit bashing thread.
Its helped me really as dd is now more open to being assessed for ASD which will help her in the long run and maybe just maybe SS will now accept their part in the failure to prepare her and other kids properly for life outside care.
Maybe like many other complaints I've made it will lead to better outcomes for other kids like in the case of my crb check complaint Smile

The main thing is dd now has extra support with budgeting and advice I did get her that budgeting tool recommended by lougle (thanks x)

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Pigsmummy · 01/01/2014 22:06

What would would you have done if your DD had admitted to working?

Are you working?

Roshbegosh · 01/01/2014 22:13

The names you have called your daughter are disgusting. She was in care for 11 years and you are still having babies. It sounds like you are angry to have lost a cash cow, is that all she was to you? At least she is working and trying her best and that attitude is frowned upon in your house obviously.

Oakmaiden · 01/01/2014 23:27

Roshbegosh - goodness, is there any need to be so nasty? TTGBump has explained the reason why she was in care, and the situation (although really she shouldn't have needed to), and it sounds really upsetting for everybody.

I really don't think having a 19 year old in the house, and supporting said 19 year old, means you are suddenly awash with cash...

ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 02/01/2014 00:10

Thanks oakmaiden x
No I'm not working at the moment. I have a three month old baby.
I will be working the same as I always have done when she is old enough.
To the poster before oakmaiden. No dd is not and never has been, a cash cow. I got fuck all help when she suddenly returned and she came with the clothes on her back and one extra set. She has always been in ft ed and I've had to buy uniform rather than get her to buy it out of her college bursary, I think that's fair even though it's not bloody cheap. I give her money to go out with her bf to cinema ect - none of my others get half of what she does, nor do they ask. They all have to wait in turn for clothes ect.
I didn't ask her to find a bloody boyfriend two bus journeys away or one who wants her to go out every night of the week. Money to go out boozing, and getting taxis isn't factored into my budget.
Try reading the entire thread. Or don't comment on a thread that really had come to its natural end rolls eyes

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ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 02/01/2014 00:21

Sorry. If dd had admitted to working I'd have sorted everything out immediately and no arrears would have occurred hope this helps but then if the whole thread had been read you would have worked that out - I've worked hard and gone without to get and stay debt free. I'm annoyed but it's not insurmountable and with any luck has been a learning curve for both dd and I

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MrsBonkers · 03/01/2014 02:47

Was just curious.

Have fucked up way too many things in my own life to dare to judge others.

Hope you're feeling better about it all now since getting over the initial shock.

ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 03/01/2014 03:03

It's ok. Sorry I was so nobbish in replying, thanks for not taking it to heart

I wish I did earn that much in three months, lol

I think it was just a bit of a last straw on top of everything else

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