To think that Owen Jones is a fraud.

[soul2000]

I watched the R.T.S Lecture he gave last night on representation of the Working Class on Television, i have never heard such opinionated rubbish.
There are three questions i would like to act Owen Jones

1. Despite having an Oxford Education why do you deliberately mispronounce

certain words, in a kind of "STOCKNEY" accent.

1. Which Comprehensive did he attend , anybody who knows Stockport knows there is a huge gap between Poynton/Bramhall and Brinnington.

3. What class does he think he is with is Oxford education and two University lecturer parents.

Thanks for this post op.
I had never heard of Owen Jones before, but after reading this it seemed like something I'd be interested in. Just watched a few videos of him on YouTube and I love him, I think he's great. Speaks a lot of sense and logic, just what the world and the left need at this time! Who cares about the accent or how authentically working class he is.

Claig, don't undertand why he's not for real? can you explain a bit more fully please

Claig, don't undertand why he's not for real? can you explain a bit more fully please

custardo, I think he is essentially Establishment, Oxbridge etc, which is why I think he got lots of publicity and media access, whereas many other good socialist thinkers or bloggers etc will not be granted that type of media exposure.

Being Esablishment means that one must remain within a contained box and not deviate from its boundaries. While the great leftwing MP, Michael Meacher, appeared on the grass, with the people, at the Bilderberg Conference in Watford to demand democratic transparency over the discussions being held inside between royalty, venture capitalists, financiers, bankers, industrialists and political puppets, Owen Jones, the so-called scourge of the capitalists, the so-called champion of the workers, was nowhere to be seen.

While the Establishment met and while the people protested, Owen Jones, the Oxbridge, in my view Establishment, media commentator said nothing.

Having said that, I still think Owen Jones, along wih Bob Crowe, are the best socialists to watch on TV, since they argue with passion and seeming belief in their cause and that makes for good listening and a good exchange of ideas, even if it may all be theatre in the end.

So because he didn't attend one protest he is a fraud?

'So because he didn't attend one protest he is a fraud?'

Not only did he not attend, I don't think he used his media prominence or his Independent newspaper column to even mention what was happening in England, in Watford, where senior capitalist members of the global system were meeting with royalty and politicians from both parties, while thousands of ordinary people travelled at great expense from all over the world and all over the country to highlight and protest against the secrecy of this meeting between so-called competitors and opposing party politicians in their "all in it together" meeting.

For me, that indicates that Owen Jones and his so-called anti-capitalist, anti-establishment, anti-system message is a fraud.

I don't think Owen Jones is part of the course material. I think the OP was just saying she watched his lecture because it looked interesting. I know that OU course and unless they've radically changed the course materials, Owen Jones is not required studying.

I could, of course, be way off and apologies if I am.

Perhaps Jones doesn't share the conspiracy theorists' fear of Bilderberg, claig. I admit I have no opinion on it ... I certainly believe there are conspiracies of power that should be opened to public view & judgement, but don't know whether Bilderberg is one such. There's nothing peculiar about world movers & shakers getting together for an annual conference, it happens in all other walks of life.

And why is the Bilderberg Conference important?

Because there had been a 60 year conspiracy of silence and a policy of denial from all the Establishment media - the BBC, the Guardian, the Independent, the Daily Telegraph, Murdoch's papers and the Daily Mail - to deny its existence and to not report on its annual meetings.

Why the secrecy? Why the democratic deficit? Why the public taxpayer money to provide security for it? Why the silence when our elected politicians attended it? Why the denial that it existed?

And that is why it is significant that Owen Jones, socialist champion of the people, the workers, the ordinary citizens of this country and the scourge of the capitalist class, remained silent when thousands of ordinary people (most of them no from Oxbridge) travelled to protest the secret meeting held behind closed door with no reporting on what was being discussed from our free press.

I like Owen Jones, but I'm afraid I don't take him seriously anymore.

'There's nothing peculiar about world movers & shakers getting together for an annual conference, it happens in all other walks of life.'

But at other conferences the press interviews them. The biwigs and puppets issue press releases, they make their agenda open. They want us to believe that they are "saving the world" for us, that they are "saving the planet" for us and they use the BBC and other media to tell us all about the good things the are doing for us. And they probably let Owen Jones interview them and he probably reports on those and tells us all about them in the Independent.

But not for Bilderberg. Just silence.

And the silence speaks volumes.

I don't know, Claig. I just think that, if they were bent on secret plotting, they could do that at a Masonic Lodge or the Institute of Directors or one of their enormous houses. Like I said, I have no opinion on it. Perhaps Jones hasn't, either?

About 2 weeks after the Bilderberg Conference in Watford, where some of the global elite had met in secret behind closed doors with elected politicians, the global elite had a G8 meeting in Northern Ireland.

The Establishment did not want Bilderberg looked into closely by their Establishment media and so most Establishment commentators, Oxbridge pundits and MPs etc were absent and didn't menton it. But the Establishment wanted the G8 talked about. That was allowed, that got the green card.

And right on cue, here's Owen giving it large, keeping it real, giving the capitalists a right on roasting.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22936705

'I don't know, Claig. I just think that, if they were bent on secret plotting, they could do that at a Masonic Lodge or the Institute of Directors or one of their enormous houses.'

No, it's a three day meeting with attendees from all over the world and I needs the public to pay for some of its security. Someone would notice that some of teh politicians were unavailable for 3 days.

'I have no opinion on it. Perhaps Jones hasn't, either?'
But Jones is a political pundit, some kind of left wing Marxist champion of the people. If he has no opinion on it and doesn't question the silence about it, then ,as an Oxbridge intellectual (one of our country's finest), he seems to have taken leave of his critical faculties.

At the G8 meeting of course, it was only politicians and puppets (which is why media coverage was essential), there weren't the financiers and industrialists and royalty and venture capitalists who outnumbered the elected politicians at the secretive Bilderberg Conference.

Where have you been "claig" I was fighting on my own. The Bilderberg group
as many people know was started 1954 in the Bilderberg hotel Oosterbeek in holland. Whether you believe in the "Illuminati" or not, it is clear that over the years the Bilderberg group has influenced the economy of the world. The members have come from all sides of the political spectrum, the Bilderberg Group has the distinction of being able to put left and right political proponents together in a single forum. This has led to a theory that the outcomes wanted between left and right,are in reality very similar with perhaps a deviation of perhaps 2-3% in policy.

Owen Jones has actually decried the Bilderberg group at several talks/meetings. Although I think it is ridiculous to denounce someone as not a real socialist, or whatever, just because they didn't protest one certain thing. No-one, however committed, can protest (whether in person or via the media, etc.,) every single thing. People are also not betraying their cause by focusing more on certain things than others.

I also think it is laughable that an openly gay bloke from Stockport is part of the Establishment purely because he went to Oxford.

But none of the above is a convincing argument that Bilderberg has nefarious motives. You said yourself the G8 isn't the same thing.

If high-level influencers come together to throw ideas about, share information and get a bit drunk - like people do at any industry conference, for example - media are going to be pretty desperate to get quotes of them talking shite, criticising their own roles, slagging off mutual acquaintances or propositioning the bar staff. Tbh, I could empathise fully with that. This is why I'm not sure it's an Evil Conspiracy.

Sorry, Soul, we've gone right off topic!

'the Bilderberg Group has the distinction of being able to put left and right political proponents together in a single forum. This has led to a theory that the outcomes wanted between left and right,are in reality very similar with perhaps a deviation of perhaps 2-3% in policy.'

Exactly. The people know that they are "all in it together" and that is why there was a conspiracy of silence and a denial about Bilderberg for so many years and that is why so many Oxbridge media pundits, fearless on other topics, would not talk about Bilderberg.

Here is the great man, Labour MP, Michael Meacher, a real champion of the people explaining what was at issue at Bilderberg. I hope Owen listened to him and learnt something.

'Owen Jones has actually decried the Bilderberg group at several talks/meetings'

Then why didn't he mention it in his high profile Independent newspaper column when it was actually on? As a political activist, a left wing champion of the people, why wasn't he there alongside Michael Meacher MP?

'No-one, however committed, can protest (whether in person or via the media, etc.,) every single thing'

But if someone doesn't protest against real power, the real capitalist meetings held in secret, what use is it to play the Establishment game of protesting the things that are allowed, the things which are with the boundaries of the Esablishment-defined box?

He is my fantasy ds leave him alone ;)

Ok. I have thought of something. Why does Jones not condemn the waste and lies of Hs2 for instance. Why does he not confront the lies about the project bringing economic benefits to the north of the country. Why does he not actively say the north needs £5 Billion pounds a year for 10 years £56 Billion the cost of Hs2 invested in bringing business out of the South east . he should be actively promoting hi tech and new business to come out of the South East and provide jobs that pay livable wages. As difficult as the benefit cuts are , and no doubt falling hardest on those who need the most, it is not Benefits people need, but jobs paying livable wages.

And Owen Jones doesn't talk about how jobs should pay a liveable wage? HE TALKS ABOUT IT ENDLESSLY. FFS.

And here is Owen Jones, errr, condemning the waste and lies of HS2...

Any chance you might try the tiniest bit of research before posting next time OP?