To think that Owen Jones is a fraud.

[soul2000]

I watched the R.T.S Lecture he gave last night on representation of the Working Class on Television, i have never heard such opinionated rubbish.
There are three questions i would like to act Owen Jones

1. Despite having an Oxford Education why do you deliberately mispronounce

certain words, in a kind of "STOCKNEY" accent.

1. Which Comprehensive did he attend , anybody who knows Stockport knows there is a huge gap between Poynton/Bramhall and Brinnington.

3. What class does he think he is with is Oxford education and two University lecturer parents.

No, Pierre Bourdieu.

Mentioned earlier in thread and dismissed by OP because reading books makes you, like, well fake. Or something.

Just like question marks, which the OP must think are only for Oxbridge wankers...

eofa

I'm a grateful recipient of working-class cultural capital and, yes, of course it makes a difference.

I'd be fucked if I had to hold a conversation with a dead Roman soldier these days, mind you ...

Why study if reading is for numpties?

Where have i said that Eofa. I have mentioned relevant books Them And Us by will hutton, The Great Tax robbery both good Guardian type books.

You are like the people who call Joey Essex thick and laugh at him.
The reason Joey Essex does not know any better is because no one has taught him or is not relevant in his life.

Tell me Eofa. Would you know how to talk down a drunk with a Knife pointing at one of your Doormen. What would you do when one of your Customers has just been shot, What would you do when if were taking cash to the bank and you were being followed by Armed Gangsters.

These are some of the many things i have had to deal with in my Business life.

Reading books is not a substitute for having had the experience of living in a community. There is an issue that working class people are not represented in the media or politics, Alan Johnson appeared to be the last one left in the Labour Party and OJ seems a rather unconvincing advocate for the WC when I've seen him on political TV.

what would you do if when you were taking cash to the bank you were being followed by Armed Gangsters.

I went to the same college as Owen Jones too. He sounds a bit like me but he also has a northern Manchester/Oldham twang, bit Brian Cox-y. Most definitely does not sound like a Brinnington/Offerton resident and does not sound like he is putting an accent on. I see he was born in Sheffield - were his parents from there?

Eh? Not getting the relevance of that sob story. But I've done some pretty tough jobs actually, and dealt with violence as part of that for what it's worth. I don't live or work in an ivory tower. And I know you've mentioned some books but you have also repeatedly dismissed the value of theorists, books and ideas you haven't read or don't understand.

And again, no need to read them if you don't want, but also no need to sneer in the manner of a dreadful inverted snob, especially not when you've chosen to pursue academic study.

And for the live of god, learn to use a question mark.

Or even the love of god.

The relevance is if i did not have a good education or ever discussed those theories with anyone how could i possibly know them. Not that my Niece or my Post Grad auntie would know them.

Tbf, Soul must only be a couple of months in to her study course. It's perfectly reasonable to be a tad naive about both her subject and the path of further education. All the social anger may well turn out to be a gift ... provided you open your mind up to new/other ideas, Soul.

Oh, xposted on similar with you!

Errr, books? A library? The Internet? A university course like the one you're allegedly doing? Listening to people who tell you about them rather than accusing those people of not knowing about the real world?

And it isn't the fact you don't know this stuff that's so fucking irritating, it's that you attempt to cover your insecurities by dismissing things you don't know as useless, or just for posh people, or only understood by people who can't possibly have any idea about the "real" world. You are getting increasingly absurd, which didn't seem possible at the start of the thread..

Exactly garlic. It's the closed mind that's ridiculous, not the lack of knowledge.

This is the most surreal thread I've read in ages.

Meanwhile, I'm from Prestbury and I still have a very regional accent.

Commander. If you see Rooney say Hi for me....

OP, the significance of Bernstein is huge, if you're studying education (as I am). There's little point being dismissive of someone just because they haven't come up in your particular line of study.

What are you studying, if you don't mind me asking? Genuine curiosity.

I'm taking cash to the bank and I'm being followed by Armed Gangsters.

What do I do OP?

I ignored them and went into the bank. The cash belonged to the Armed Gangsters' boss

What did you do Soul? Why did they pick you?