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To expect that partners should - broadly speaking - have access to the same lifestyle?

125 replies

PosyNarker · 24/11/2013 18:08

By this I mean, that if a couple are married or are living together with a similar level commitment, that any income disparity between the couple should not be glaringly obvious? Or that (excluding the very rich and massive inheritances), they should have a similar enough disposable income that they could do / buy the same things?

I do know there are really good reasons why this isn't the case for some families (blended families, maintenance payments, aforementioned wealthy etc.), but for the rest, surely this is the norm?

My experience growing up was that both my parents had access to whatever they needed. Sometimes it wasn't enough, but when there was surplus, if dad wanted a gadget or mum wanted a handbag they're quite traditional then they got it. This is also how myself and DP work.

From what I see with friends and close family this isn't the norm. I have so many female friends who have gone part time to look after DC and can't afford this, or that, but have DP buying £2k laptops, £1k cameras. One was asking her DP for a hair dye and cut for her birthday, when said DP is decked out in designer (for work Hmm).

I have other friends though where I really want to scream - independence is the ability to look after yourself and any dependants if and when you need to, not the ability to pay 50% of the bills regardless. They make sacrifices they don't even register then respond to invites or buy things for themselves based on their income rather than the income they have facilitated.

FWIW I lose out by our arrangement and I have no DC so I have no axe to grind. I just think that a family ought to have the same standard of living. I do and likely always will earn more than DP unless he builds a start-up, but I couldn't not share, because we support each other 100%.

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Pollydon · 24/11/2013 18:45

It does amaze me that the higher earning partners in some cases seem to be oblivious to the financial predicament of the less well off partner.
I am the higher earner nowadays, used to be dh, we've always had the same "spends", anything else would be ridiculous.

MistAllChuckingFrighty · 24/11/2013 18:47

Thatisall I don't believe him. You are making excuses for him. Please talk to Women's Aid if you won't take my word for it.

If you feel guilty for being a "burden" in what should be a partnership, and get guilt trips thrown back in your face then you are in a financially abusive relationship. The facts are there. I am sorry.

Thatisall · 24/11/2013 18:48

cailin I don't think so. But do irresponsible people think so? I don't really spend money on things that I don't have to, like school trips, travel expenses to work (when I have work :-)) and like I said good and house stuff. I can't remember the last time I went out, I bought 2 new dresses recently for a fiver each in the sale at primark if that's frivolous!! Lol. But I did have a cou

Thatisall · 24/11/2013 18:49

Sorry
Couple of events to go to with dh and nothing suitable. I felt a bit :-s coming home with the bag when I knew I would run out of money a few days later

Thatisall · 24/11/2013 18:50

To be honest I've probably spent £20 this month on stuff that strictly speaking I don't need. Even if I hadn't, I would still have run out. So no I don't think in irresponsible with money

CailinDana · 24/11/2013 18:51

What does your dh spend his extra money on?

LoveWine · 24/11/2013 18:52

This something people should do before getting married (if you choose to), move in together and most definitely before you have children together. It is written in a fun, sarcastic way, but it is absolutely true, pay close attention to points 7 and 8.

dearwendy.com/15-things-every-couple-must-discuss-before-getting-married/

chipshop · 24/11/2013 18:52

We were in the pub last night with a married couple, he's a v rich businessman, she does part time work and were staggered to find out he has private healthcare but she doesn't... she told us she'd like it but can't afford it! DP earns much more than me and said there's no way he'd pay for himself to have private healthcare and not me.

Thatisall · 24/11/2013 18:53

cailin whatever he wants

MistAllChuckingFrighty · 24/11/2013 18:55

Thatisall I feel sad for you

Is your partner happy to see you with no suitable clothes for occasions you are expected to attend ? Does he tell you he feels ashamed of you ?

Pollydon · 24/11/2013 18:56

What's the point of being together \ married unless you share everything ?
Thatisall, your dh sounds like a twunt, I would never , ever, ever make my dh feel like a burden because I earn more Angry

SunshineMMum · 24/11/2013 18:56

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CailinDana · 24/11/2013 18:57

Does he give a reason why you have to be so careful with money and he doesn't?

teacher123 · 24/11/2013 18:57

I have a friend who could only afford a certain amount of time off on ML because 'she hadn't saved up enough money to keep contributing'. Her 'D'H had 30k stashed away in savings for their unborn child's university fees, and she was sobbing on the phone to me saying she didn't want to go back to work after 6 months. Seriously screwed priorities.

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Pilgit · 24/11/2013 18:58

this disparity in finances would be an absolute deal breaker for me. I cannot countenance nor understand the mindset that doesn't value all contributions to the home and family. A SAHP or lower paid/part timer is facilitating their partner earning more by picking up elsewhere. To be a proper family (imo) all money should be shared. If it was ever anything but it would be the point I walked as it shows a massive lack of respect. I couldn't come back from it. I am the higher earner and my DH is self employed working from home so picks up the household stuff and child care. There is no way I would ever deny him access to the money - he makes it possible for me to go out and do my job without having to worry about school runs, nursery runs, housework. I am thankful for it. We are a partnership and have made decisions about our life that mean I earn most of the family money - but that is what it is - family money. I know this is how my dad viewed it and every responsible man I know (it is usually men in that situation). I'm with you OP it makes me so cross!

Thatisall · 24/11/2013 18:59

mist no he wouldn't realise I had nothing suitable. Perhaps I don't verbalise things enough. He certainly doesn't say he feels ashamed of me and I'm confident that he'd be horrified if he knew that anything he was doing could be considered abuse.

I don't think he knows what he wants. Sometimes it's like he wants to be this old fashioned husband, stay at home wife etc sometimes I think he feels overwhelmed with the responsibility and wants me to work full time (which isn't necessarily and option).

I know I sound like I'm making excuses for him and maybe I am but I think it's natural. He so good in other ways

PosyNarker · 24/11/2013 19:02

Thatisall Actually the 'think how I feel' sounds a bit manipulative. Why can't you both help manage the household income to at least agree how it's spent?

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Darkesteyes · 24/11/2013 19:03

thatis he would still have the "responsilbility of his home on his shoulders" if he was single. So that excuse doesnt wash. You are being financially controlled and abused.

He knows fine well what he is doing too His ridiculous comment is his attempt to shut the conversation down.

Pollydon · 24/11/2013 19:04

Thatisall , what would he say if you told him you wanted a joint account with full access to joint funds ?

clam · 24/11/2013 19:04

phineyj so, you were on maternity leave in order to have your partner's child and care for it 24/7, yet were financially penalised for it by your do while he continued his accustomed standard of living?

Has he any redeeming qualities?

MistAllChuckingFrighty · 24/11/2013 19:04

Thatisall you are being played, love. I am sorry. I can see you are not ready to accept that yet, but you will one day.

JumpOnIt · 24/11/2013 19:04

YAB a bit U. While this way of living seems odd to you, it may not to others. Lifestyle choices and all that.

AnnieLobeseder · 24/11/2013 19:04

Thatisall - I agree that you are in a financially abusive relationship. You're feeling frivolous when you spend £10 on clothes and he's rolling in it? How is there any love or respect in an arrangement like that?

Why are you spending money on school trips and things for your DD?

And WTF is the "burden of the house" on his shoulders anyway? Surely it's a responsibility you share?

Is he controlling in other ways or just a selfish tightwad when it comes to money?

How can anyone sit around the house, buying stuff they like, having hobbies and a social life while watching their partner go without clothes, entertainment etc etc? In what universe is that an equal partnership? And a partnership that isn't equal is no partnership at all in my eyes. As soon as one has more power, be that financial power or otherwise, all bets are off.

Darkesteyes · 24/11/2013 19:05

thatisall he sounds like he wants all of the best bits of each world for himself and none of the compromise.