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AIBU ... to STILL feel positively evangelical about electronic cigarettes? [thread 2]

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magimedi · 15/11/2013 22:02

Here we go with thread two.

There is a great deal of information on Thread One about vaping :

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1865547-to-feel-positively-evangelical-about-electronic-cigarettes?pg=1

I think that many of us have been able to give up smoking thanks to e-cigs & vaping & are all feeling the positive results & want to spread the message.

OP posts:
DizzyZebra · 14/01/2014 18:19

Mrstigs my iclear 16s fit on all of my batteries yeahi have the itaste plus two normal ego batteries).

lobsterkiller · 14/01/2014 19:23

Haven't had a fag since Boxing day morning, just couldn't be arsed to buy anymore and really happy on the ecig haven't put a any weight on either as doing the 30 day shred.

This thing has saved my life.

magimedi · 14/01/2014 19:57

Well done, lobster (and if you kill any send 'em my way - my fave food).

I am (as I often say) now 15 months in without a fag after 35+ years of smoking.

They are wonderful.

And I did not do any shreds & have not put on any weight!

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PlentyOfPubeGardens · 15/01/2014 19:50

Cantabile, what sort of clearo did your brother give you?

Dizzy - "medical nicotine" is "specially filtered" for NHS NRT. Grin You should have asked her if that's why it doesn't work.

Revenger, hangsen liquids are usually 80/20. Higher PG = more throat hit, higher VG = more vapour.

Well done lobster Flowers

Turns out Apollo E Cigs' lifetime guarantee is real after all. When I started vaping back in october I bought one of these but the battery life started tailing off a month or so ago and then it wouldn't charge at all. They've just sent me a replacement Smile So I now have variable voltage for my main battery (itaste mvp) and for my back up (this one).

magimedi · 15/01/2014 19:54

Way Hay for Apollo.

Plenty - may I ask how much kit you have? And what you use most?

And when you are going to set up shop? Grin

(But I still think you should!)

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PlentyOfPubeGardens · 15/01/2014 20:43

oh god how much kit do I have ... Blush

batteries - MVP, apollo vv, a small decent make ego, 2 larger cheapo egos.

sucky ends - approx 8 x GS-H2, 2 x GS-H5, 2 x GS-H5C, 1 x kanger protank mini, 1 x iclear 16, 1 x iclear 30, 1 x igo-l (still a bit scared of it), 3 x CE4+ (the sort you can change the coil)

also assorted beauty rings, drip tips and silica wick and kanthal wire (plus tools).

That's not too excessive is it?

At the moment I am mostly using the gs-h5c and the mini protank.

I'm not going to open a shop! It's one of those idle daydreams I will never do anything about. DH said they've started selling ego ce4 kits in the offy down the road though. I might go in and suggest some liquids to get.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 16/01/2014 09:39

Well, I plugged my oil filled thingy in for the first time last night.

It leaked oil on itself and the table?! The button has stopped working; actually the whole thing is kaput!

Panicking a bit as going to Portugal this pm and only have the ecig. Will have to carry on topping up with rollies SadGrin

EllenRose · 16/01/2014 09:51

Quick post to say a massive thank you to original OP and Leylandii who recommended the JacVapour starter kit. DH has been smoking all of his adult life and had tried every possible way to to give it up. He tried some of the over the counter types of ecigs with little success but having searched my trusted Mumsnet, I found your thread and the recommendations for starter kits.
What a revelation. We originally ordered the tobacco versions of the liquid but DH tried the coffee flavoured quite quickly and was a convert. His comment 'it just tastes much nicer". He decided he wanted to work down through the nicotine levels each day and has gone from 18mg to 0 in just over a month. Today is day 2 on 0 nicotine and he genuinely hasn't found it hard at all.
Thank you and good luck to everyone else giving it a try Smile

Weelady77 · 16/01/2014 10:01

How often do you top up your liquid, I find I can top up twice a day but DH cousin has only went through 2x 10ml bottles in 3 months!
What am I doing wrong?

magimedi · 16/01/2014 10:11

You are doing nothing wrong, Wee.

I go thorough 2 x 10ml bottles in a week.

I love vaping!

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magimedi · 16/01/2014 10:12

Have a lovely holiday, Bewitched

I suspect you didn't tilt the thing as you filled it & it leaked through the tube you suck through.

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Allergictoironing · 16/01/2014 10:33

Regular/long term vapers, with all your experience where do you reckon is the best place to get Hangsen liquids from? I'm reasonably happy at the mo, but always happy to get stuff cheaper plus wouldn't mind finding somewhere that does 30ml or larger bottles - current supplier only seems to do 10ml bottles & could do with larger, especially as I vape one favourite flavour about 85% of the time

Weelady77 · 16/01/2014 10:38

Thanks magi, so do I I'm about a 10ml every week or so

Cantabile · 16/01/2014 11:25

Plenty, he gave me an iClear CE4. The gs-h2s from ebay (your link) have arrived too, so I am now in vaping heaven. I barely use my old ego top. The only problem with the iClear is that I can't just unscrew the atomiser, clean it or change it. I hate just throwing things away.

Cantabile · 16/01/2014 11:30

Allergic, you can get 30ml bottles from Joose Juice (also do BOGOF), but you can google eliquid 30ml uk and you'll get loads.

Allergictoironing · 16/01/2014 12:01

Thanks Catabile. I'd always rather go with a recommendation than just google. Plus last time I searched, the majority of the links for 30ml gave me places that were selling 3x10ml

QueenStromba · 16/01/2014 12:01

You can change the atomiser on an iclear - the whole central column comes out rather than just the top bit.

Allergictoironing · 16/01/2014 12:05

Update - the Joose Juice site says don't use in polycarbonate tanks! I'm pretty sure the vast majority of tanks you can get for CE4 are polycarbonate though, and the Hangsen seems to be fine in those....

Cantabile · 16/01/2014 12:39

Just had a reply from one of my MEPs - this from the Lib Dem:

Refillable tanks and the two year report

The legislation requires the European Commission to report back in two years on the safety of refillable cartridges. It will give time for manufacturers to demonstrate the safety of their products. This does not mean they are being phased out after two years, it means there will be a discussion.

More information on safety is better than less and vapers will want to know if the products they use are safe or not.

Banning certain products

it is not the case that if three countries ban refillable cartridges they will be banned everywhere. Instead if three countries can prove that there is a safety risk with a particular type or brand or cartridge then the European Commission can adopt measures to ban it. However, this will only apply to the specific product, not to all of them, plus the European Parliament has the right to veto any such ban.

E-liquid concentrations

There will be a ban on liquids containing a higher concentration of nicotine than 20mg/ml and a ban on having more than 2ml of liquid in an e-cig. That means there will be a maximum of 40mg (20mg/ml x 2 ml) in any one e-cig.

There will also be a limit of 10ml liquid in any one refill bottle but no limit on the number of bottles you can buy.

There are no regulations as to flow rate through an e-cig. (I understand that some studies have shown that the concentration of nicotine in a puff is dependent more on the e-cigarette than the liquid concentration).

These are safety measures. A spoonful of concentrated nicotine could kill a child and restrictions of some kind were inevitable. The original proposal was for a restriction of 4mg/ml and no refillable cartridges so this is a far better deal than we could have expected.

Child proofing

Cartridges and refill bottles will need to be childproof and not leak during refilling

Flavourings

These will be regulated at the level of individual countries but, importantly, no country will be able to ban a flavour that is allowed in another country and cross border sales will be allowed. Under single market rules if you can’t buy a flavour in the UK you will still be able to do so from another member state.

Consumer information

E-cig manufacturers will have to let governments know within six months what ingredients are in their liquids. They will have to include leaflets and labels including health warnings that nicotine is bad for you and that e-cigs aren’t for the use of non smokers.

Advertising will also be severely restricted.

Pharmaceutical regulation

A manufacturer will be able to apply for medicinal approval if they want to make health claims about their products, but in general the EU will not classify e-cigs as medicines.

It is still possible for any government to insist that e-cigs should be classified as pharmaceutical products in their own country. The same legislation can apply to any product, but there might be legal grounds for challenging it if applied to e-cigs. But the new EU rules provide an alternative legal framework for controlling e-cigs so fewer governments are likely to take the pharmaceutical route. Ultimately this decision will be taken in London not in Brussels.

Cantabile · 16/01/2014 12:40

The UKIP MEP spent so much of his email banging on about individual freedom and how wonderful UKIP are and how hard they are fighting for said freedom, and so little about ecigs that I couldn't be bothered to read it.

Cantabile · 16/01/2014 14:57

On the whole not as bad as it started out. Safety information is always good.

I think the thing I take issue with is the 10ml limit per bottle. As many on this thread can attest, 10ml doesn't last long. It is a bit wasteful of resources in terms of manufacture and waste disposal. I have a 100ml bottle of Apple flavour liquid from which I fill one 10ml bottle to carry about with me. So far I would have chucked maybe 5 empty bottles away. If all bottles have to be childproofed anyway, then I don't really know what they're guarding against. As has been stated many times, bleach is sold in very large quantities. But it's a small thing.

I think we do need to keep the pressure on and turn our attention to our own Parliament. Urge your MP to support ecigs, or to at least understand them.

Love your silly woman's idea that the NHS nicotine is different, Dizzy! Grin

Allergictoironing · 16/01/2014 18:03

Thank you Cantabile for posting all that info Smile Thanks.

I think I'll go away & digest it for a bit - the thing I'm looking at (apart from the 10ml thing) is the limit on strengths, and how this might impact people blending their own

QueenStromba · 16/01/2014 18:13

I'm sure I'm not the only person who's panic bought a shit load of very high strength nicotine because of this - that's surely more of a child endangerment issue than people having a few bottles of 2.4% around. (I don't have kids or ever have any kids in the flat because not many of my friends have had them yet so in my case it is safe).

You get 1mg per hit from a nicorette spray. You'd need about 12 puffs of 2.4% to get the same amount of nicotine from an iclear 16 (I've worked this out from me using about 20ml of 1.2% in a week of solely using one iclear 16 = 3ml (36mg) a day and my itaste recording about 900 puffs in a day meaning 0.04mg a puff at 12mg which means 0.08mg a puff at 2.4mg = 12 puffs per mg).

I think it's way more likely that a kid would OD on a nicorette spray than an ecig. Hell, it's way more likely that an adult will OD on a nicorette spray - I once got through a whole one in an evening while pissed, there's no way I'd get through that much vaping.

Cantabile · 16/01/2014 18:20

Blimey Queen, well done! I entirely agree with you, but it is an improvement on the original proposal which was to limit the strength to something really silly like 1.2 or less (can't remember off hand, but Plenty probably does!).

I think that we won't be able to buy mix-your-own stuff for much longer, so I'm tempted to get some very strong nicotine concentrate now. Also a large quantity of pg and vg - even though I had not intended to do that for another year or so. And I shall get stronger nic concentrate than I would have originally.

QueenStromba · 16/01/2014 18:22

Well it's not worth blending your own if you are limited to 10ml bottles of 2%. The thing that makes it worth it are the bulk buy discounts and higher strengths that you can mix with much cheaper PG and VG.

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