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Actually, I am being really unreasonable. However I would like to ask those who have experienced Angel Feathers to....

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DioneTheDiabolist · 12/11/2013 22:43

...answer a few questions that I have.

1). What does it feel like when you see that feather?

2). What are your thoughts when this happens?

And

3). What would you say are the long term (if any) effects that you would attribute to these encounters.

I understand that this belief has been the subject of some ridicule here. I have no intention of ridiculing anyone. This thread has been inspired by a previous AIBU thread, but is not a thread about a thread. I am not a journalist. I am not seeking results to use in an academic submission or publication. What I am seeking is knowledge and understanding in the hope that I can use it to help others.

IABU for the following reasons:
I only posted in AIBU for the traffic. If MN rule that I have breached guidelines, can it be moved and not deleted.

And I ask the skeptics not to put people off answering honestly. If you think it necessary, I can start another thread for all your thoughts to be discussed. Perhaps the scientifically minded of you could look at this as an information gathering excersise.Smile

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CoteDAzur · 14/11/2013 13:43

sublime - Did you just ask me to explain an entire field of physics to you? Shock

There are these things called "books" that people use when they want to learn a subject. You should try them sometime.

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 13:45

cote Grin you are easily [shocked]!

Lol about the books. You should see my house! I had a dream I was eating them once. Interesting...

CoteDAzur · 14/11/2013 13:48

Oh ffs. Quantum Physics isn't some newly discovered planet. It is an entire field of study where scientists have been doing experiments in for decades.

The particles are discovered and documented, theories are being refined every day. It is very far from being woo.

It is only the extremely ignorant who confuse advanced physics with magic.

Fecklessdizzy · 14/11/2013 13:49

Mmmm ... Winchester brothers ... 'Nuff said Grin ( filthy thoughts emoticon )

CoteDAzur · 14/11/2013 13:50

I was talking about non-fiction books. Like, on Quantum Physics.

Fecklessdizzy · 14/11/2013 13:50

Oh bollocks, missed a page! ( stupid and easily confused by lust emoticon )

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 13:52

Have you studied the history of science?

Alchemy anyone?

It is interesting in alchemy making alcohol was an attempt to extract the spirit, (hence Spirits) from a plant for example, and it affects you physically when consumed.

Matter of language and belief system really...

HettiePetal · 14/11/2013 13:54

Alchemy anyone?

That wasn't science. Once the scientific method was established, alchemy died a death.

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 13:55

I've a book for you, Cote Grin

www.booksshouldbefree.com/book/Fairy-Tales-of-Science

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 13:56

Hettie Has it (alchemy) died? Some would just say it evolved.

HettiePetal · 14/11/2013 13:56

Hettie It is impossible to get through your day without beliefs, assumptions, prior assumptions or faith

Not all beliefs are equal. Some are justified, some not. And we justify them based on evidence.

All my beliefs are supported by evidence. If someone could show me that I believe something for which there is no evidence, I would stop believing it. Immediately.

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 13:59

Hettie What if you reassessed the whole of Scientific belief with Bayesian Probability in mind too take account of the prior assumptions?

friday16 · 14/11/2013 14:00

Am I missing some gag, in which a nineteen century children's book is used as evidence that quantum mechanics is woo? Or what?

HettiePetal · 14/11/2013 14:00

Well, define "alchemy"?

Newton used to practice it. He spent more time on that than he did on gravity! Do you think he still would if he was alive today?

Alchemy is chemistry's pre-runner. Modern chemists would not be impressed if you called them "alchemists".

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 14:01

I have experiential evidence for my beliefs.

HettiePetal · 14/11/2013 14:02

What if you reassessed the whole of Scientific belief with Bayesian Probability in mind too take account of the prior assumptions?

I wouldn't. I'm not qualified & don't know enough about BS.

But, honestly, you don't seem to know how science works if you're talking about prior assumptions and so forth. The scientific method specifically corrects for that kind of thing - that's why it works.

HettiePetal · 14/11/2013 14:02

BP. See, even get the initials wrong Wink

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 14:02

Friday Was not supplied as evidence. Just a comment on the origins of science and how it is still incomplete.

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 14:03

Unified Theory anyone?

HettiePetal · 14/11/2013 14:03

OK. But that's extremely poor evidence, since it's neither verifiable or testable, which evidence needs to be in order to be considered sound.

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 14:05

Science does not correct Prior Assumptions. New Scientist had an article on it the other year.

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 14:06

I could dig it out from my back issues but that would take a long time....

HettiePetal · 14/11/2013 14:06

Unified Theory anyone?

What about it?

It's not known how Relativity & QM work together - although they must do otherwise we wouldn't be here. The quest for the Theory of Everything is to find an overarching explanation of how they work together.

What's woo about that?

sublimelime · 14/11/2013 14:07

A truly wise person recognises how much they don't know.

(IMO)

curlew · 14/11/2013 14:10

"Science does not correct Prior Assumptions."

The scientific method certainly tries to, and tries to eliminate the bias of the tester. This is very different from the way belivers look at pseudo science, where confirmation bias is rampant.

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