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AIBU?

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To already be TERRIFIED about dd starting high school, even though she's only 5, because of the horrid bullying that takes place in those places?

75 replies

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 11/11/2013 20:58

It's the bullying. The horrible nature that so many teens have these days. the need to pick on people who are a bit 'different' or who don't comply with what's considered 'cool'.

My friend's son has just started his first year of high school in August. He's 12yo and 6ft. He is i suppose 'quirky'. But not a spiteful bone in his body. He used to do kickboxing for two years, (my friend wanted him to learn some self defense after being horribly bullied at primary school) but gave it up before starting high school.

He loves high school. He has enrolled in several lunchtime clubs such as chess, computer and quiz club. And he's signed up for gym club once a week after school. He loves having different classes/subjects every day, and loves learning new things.

However, since his first week he's had names hurled at him while walking through the corridors. Such as 'giant', 'freak', 'gay', 'geek' and other much cruder things.

He's taken this on the chin. But after a few weeks, it started getting violent. people throwing bits of food at him in the canteen. People tripping him up in the corridors. Then it started getting really violent when walking home from school. Children would arrange 'fights' with him then call him a 'pussy' for not turning up at the designated time/place.

So then the fights started taking place at intervals/lunchtimes/walking to classes.

He never initiates the fights, as teachers point out to my friend, but he does defend himself.

Last week, someone (a boy who used to bully him at primary) ran up to him and smacked him across the head with a full can of juice. Friend's son grabbed the boy as he was running away, lifted him up, then threw him back onto the ground. He hurt his head of the wall, but no serious damage.

Friend's son was giving a detention that day during which he had to write 'I must not fight', and state what he has learned from his actions and why he must not do it again.

My friend is livid of course. The bully got the same punishment. She feels that her son was just defending himself. What else was he supposed to do? She has warned the teachers that she knows her son is an easy target and bullying might be an issue. She has told them that she does not agree to any more detentions until she's spoken to the HT about this.

She has been given an appointment for 2 weeks time.

This town only has two high school. there used to be 6, but they've all been knocked down and merged into 2 recently. And both are as bad as each other to be honest. Neither of them handle bullying well. And friend can't move out of the area for another school. And the next nearest one is much too far (1hr 45 minutes to get there). So she's basically got to put up with this for the next 5-6 years.

Her son assures her that he's fine. And that it doesn't bother him. And that he isn't scared etc.

This bullying issue is one that occurs in almost every high school. I'm absolutely terrified for my dd already. In 5 years time, it'll be her turn to go to one of these horrible schools. Even if i've moved out of the area by then, it'll likely just be the same regardless of what school she attends. High school is bloody awful. Really bloody awful.

Why the hell do bullies bully in the first place? Why is it still seen as such a non-issue? Why can't parents teach their children to be civil to their peers? Why can't school staff nip things in the bud before they escalate?

i really am terrified. Sad

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Heartbrokenmum73 · 11/11/2013 21:02

I sympathise. DD started secondary in September and I felt exactly the same as you. I do think it depends on the school though.

We moved over the summer so she's at a different school to where she was supposed to go and I'm delighted with where she is. She's made loads of new friends and is having a fantastic time, really enjoying the diverse new subjects.

I know the school a lot of her friends went on to (from her old primary school) is absolutely rife with bullying, yet this was a really desirable school - god knows why!

usualsuspect · 11/11/2013 21:06

In my experience secondary schools take bullying very seriously.

Not all teenagers are horrible bullies either.

ilovelymum · 11/11/2013 21:07

I have never been bullied neither has my dh or youngest dd however my eldest girl was bullied by a girl called sam a high school about her grades I found out when this girl came up to dd in the street and kicked her I was so amazed I just looked at dd she looked right back at me and made her mama proud-by hitting girl with her bag, it barely touched her but dd said "do that again and I`ll hit harder" we walked away and never spoke of it again

cardibach · 11/11/2013 21:09

I disagree that 'High School is bloody awful'. SOME schools for SOME kids are awful, I'm sure, but the vast majority of kids go through High School happily.
YABU to be 'terrified' about something which won't happen for 6 years and will most likely not be unpleasant anyway. You having this attitude could possibly make your DD scared of High School, though, and become a self fulfilling prophecy.

JockTamsonsBairns · 11/11/2013 21:11

what your friend's son has gone through is awful, but why would you think it's the same at every secondary school?

ThreeBeeOneGee · 11/11/2013 21:15

DS1 was bullied in Y6 of primary but has had no problems in his two and a bit years at secondary.

DS2 would be an easy target for so many reasons: he is tiny, superbright, has Aspergers & ADHD and is as geeky as geeky gets. He has been at secondary school for half a term now, and no problems at all so far.

Salmotrutta · 11/11/2013 21:16

Most schools I've worked in take bullying very seriously indeed.

It's unlikely they will ever stamp it out completely - there will always be bullies- but they do try hard to deal with it properly.

Are you going to work yourself up into a right old frenzy over the next 7 (?) years?

StillSlightlyCrumpled · 11/11/2013 21:17

I'm quite sure there is low grade bullying at every school but it is generally taken very seriously.

My eldest DC is in year 8 & couldn't be happier. Most teenagers are great, if slightly monosyllabic moody things, who have a good moral compass.

Your friends experience sounds terrible though & I do hope the school address the issues swiftly & to her satisfaction.

curlew · 11/11/2013 21:17

Most secondary schools take bullying very seriously and most teenagers are lovely. You are being very unreasonable.

mumeeee · 11/11/2013 21:18

YABU to worry about this now. Not all High schools are awful and the majority of teenagers are good kids and not nasty. The same as at Primary school.

Raddy · 11/11/2013 21:19

But your friend has experienced something awful and thankfully, unusual.

I was never bullied, nor dh, nor our children. I don't know of any in our wide circle of friends with bullying problems either. My son is in y11 and bloody loves school.

As someone else said, secondary schools are increasingly strict on bullying.

Please don't spend the next 6 years being 'terrified'.

WorrySighWorrySigh · 11/11/2013 21:24

I have 3 teens and they are not bullies, they are also not routinely bullied. There have been individual incidents but these have been dealt with by the school. The school takes bullying very seriously.

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 11/11/2013 21:24

Because every high school i've visited has some level of bullying. And 'quirky' children (like my dd) are considered easy targets.

At my school, it was awful.

At my friend's son school, it's really awful.

Several of my other friends said they were either bullied or knew of bullying going on when they were at High school.

My sister is a supply teacher, visiting several high schools a year, and says the same. Yes, the level of the bullying varies greatly from place to place, but it's always there at some level.

The only way to be safe is to muddle your way through without drawing any attention to yourself, or to try hard to fit in with what the bullies like/are wearing.

And i'm worried sick that i may still be stuck in this town when dd's time comes to go to high school (she's half way through P.2 just now so 5.5 years to go!) and she'll need to go to one of the ones described in my OP.

I'm just terrified. i want high school to be a positive experience for her. But she's just so different (has HFA) that i feel she doesn't stand a chance of just 'muddling through and not standing out'. She is very sensitive, lacks social skills, tries to hug people that call her names etc etc.

My inner naive self just wants to shout, "why can't all children just be nice to each other?" Why does bullying still go on? Why hasn't it been tackled yet so fiercely that it ceases to exist all together?

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Mushypeasandchipstogo · 11/11/2013 21:26

I totally agree with curlew. I have taught in four different secondary schools and they have all taken any bullying incident very seriously. Most teenagers are actually lovely! Please don't worry. Meanwhile please support your friend and her son.

curlew · 11/11/2013 21:26

Something else I find infuriating is the assumption on here that it will be the clever kids who get bullied. As if somehow being clever means you won't be a bully, and being less clever means you will.

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 11/11/2013 21:28

Ah, sorry, lots of Xposts.

It's heartening to know so many of your DC are getting though school just fine and/or their schools take bullying very seriously. I'm just basing my fears on my own experiences.

TBH, i do think it's this area. And the school.

I have 5.5 years to look into nicer high schools and get myself the area, somehow.

And i didn't mean all teens are bullies. Of course they're not. But lots are. And i want to know - why? Do their parents know they are bullies? Are they egged on by friends? Just what makes them want to damage another human being so badly?

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gymboywalton · 11/11/2013 21:29

I have a six foot two 13 year old who loves high school. He has a great bunch of friends who are a bit geeky . They have a great time together. He gets good grades and is fully involved in the life of the school.
You are being a bit daft really.

curlew · 11/11/2013 21:35

"And i didn't mean all teens are bullies. Of course they're not. But lots are."

No. Lots aren't. A few are. And for all sorts of reasons. Because they feel superior or inferior to their victim. Because they are being bullied themselves somewhere else. Because they're horrid. For a hundred reasons and none. But you must stop panicking about it no or you will pass your panic on to your dd.

curlew · 11/11/2013 21:36

And if you think that there is no bullying in "nice" areas, you are, sadly, wrong.

Mushypeasandchipstogo · 11/11/2013 21:46

Find myself agreeing with curlew again but darn why is she getting in posting what I am thinking before me?

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 11/11/2013 21:52

Exactly, Curlew, it goes on everywhere.

I just thought that i would look around more before sending my dd to a certain high school, rather than plonk her into one of the two in our town just because we're living here.

And if i find a school that has a good anti-bullying ethos, then it will involve us having to move into that town. A big transition, one which will take a of saving and a lot of preparation. Hence my reasoning for thinking about it now.

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curlew · 11/11/2013 21:55

Practically all schools have a "good anti bullying ethos^.
I would be amazed if that is all your friend's son's school is doing.

curlew · 11/11/2013 21:56

Grin @mushypeas

usualsuspect · 11/11/2013 22:04

My DS had some issues with bullying.

The school took it seriously.

I made sure they did.

Vivacia · 11/11/2013 22:05

I'd be wary of a school that said they don't have any bullying. You want a school with a clear anti-bullying policy and practical steps to reduce bullying.

OP I think that this level of anxiety is abnormal and is something you should seek help for.