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To post this for the anti Poppy brigade?

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Jakebullet · 09/11/2013 12:43

Just posted on Facebook by a poet friend of mine

The whistles could be heard
Along the trenches below
The young men weren't ready
But they had to go
Some held photos
Of loved ones back home
They charged together
Yet died alone
The bulkets n bombs
rang loud in their heads
Yet forward they ran
Running over the dead
A war against tyranny and for freedom they fought
A price was to be paid
Yet could never be bought
But their actions
Should be remembered
Even tho with regret
By wearing The Poppy
LEST WE FORGET

By Billy Isherwood

Love this poem......it's been in his head several days and this morning was finally written down.

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Howstricks · 10/11/2013 21:34

Daisychain..that sounds lovely, I think you have it right.

trish5000 · 10/11/2013 21:57

No marzipanned. He or she has most definitely not answered it, if you read it carefully. I suggest you reread again.

Am now wondering who or what he/she actually is.

trish5000 · 10/11/2013 21:59

Geckos48. If you have been told before you havent answered something, then I join those ranks.

And you know you havent. People like you are clever with words. But the trouble is it is all here for people to see, and to reread years later if they want to. The internet is public not private, and people can see.

Huitre · 10/11/2013 22:01

Stravy, that is a wonderful poem. I've looked it up now and am asking for a book for Christmas. Thank you. So eloquent.

trish5000 · 10/11/2013 22:02

marzipanned. I looked up those countrie/islands/principalities. I am sure you have too.
You are well aware I suspect that some have agreements with other countries etc. People can google nowadays.

Do you want Britain to be defended?

If any of you is involved in anything dodgy, these words are now here for whoever needs to see them, to see them.

JanineStHubbins · 10/11/2013 22:04

If any of you is involved in anything dodgy, these words are now here for whoever needs to see them, to see them.

What the fuck does that mean?

trish5000 · 10/11/2013 22:06

I am posting to Geckos48 and marzipanned.
Sorry, I didnt make that clear at all.

JanineStHubbins · 10/11/2013 22:07

Why are you implying that they are involved in criminal/terrorist activity?

BasilBabyEater · 10/11/2013 22:17

LOL at trish.

She's so much more robust than those passive aggressive idiots who post things on facebook like "if you don't wear a poppy, that's fine, I'll just know that you want all the heroes fighting in Afghanistan to die horribly at the hands of terrorists". She takes it one step further and starts suspecting you of terrorism or being the enemy within, wanting Britain to be attacked.

Grin

This is the sort of thing that comes up regularly around poppies, which I find quite irksome.

marzipanned · 10/11/2013 22:17

trish, sorry to disappoint you, but I'm just an average British citizen tapping away on MN, as I suspect you are too. I've never been involved in the military though some of my best friends have.

You asked: We are defending purely by having the armed forces. Have you thought about what would happen if we didnt have any at all?

Gecko did not say that s/he didn't want any armed forces at all. In fact, as I quoted, s/he alluded to the good sense of having a "standing army and a naval and raf force who patrol our borders"

His/her point was (apologies Gecko if I've misread you) that the conflicts in which the UK has been involved in recent years have involved our armed forces on foreign soil. Not on British soil. Thus attacking rather than defending.

Yes, some countries have military agreements with others, though the ones I can think of off the top of my head have never been required. The UK could have chosen to do the same. Obviously we are not a neutral country, therefore I'm EXTREMELY glad that we have tremendously brave and bright individuals working in the intelligence services and the special forces minimising the risk of terrorist attack against us. But the huge majority of individuals in our armed forces are not involved in this type of activity, which is the activity that is truly defending Britain.

Again, what are you scared of? What do you think genuinely represents a threat to Britain today? A terrorist releasing anthrax on the tube (fair enough) or the Taliban army invading our shores?

Of course I want Britain to be defended from the former - many of my loved ones live in London (the place most likely to be attacked by terrorists). I do not believe that Britain needs to be defended from the latter.

marzipanned · 10/11/2013 22:18

Basil, I know! If she looks up the other threads I've posted on they're pretty much...pregnancy, what to eat for dinner tonight, shall I buy a new car? A terrorist mind at work, no doubt.

MurderOfGoths · 10/11/2013 22:18

Well this thread's got weird.

trish5000 · 10/11/2013 22:30

Glad you think it is good sense marzipanned [though why you think a mother cannot aid terrorism, and could not possibly be one, I have no idea]. Geckos48 has not posted that she agrees with that, however.

MurderOfGoths · 10/11/2013 22:33

Trish This is a quote from Geckos, "No, I don't want Britain attacking. Having a standing army and a naval and raf force who patrol our borders is a different issue. "

How are you not seeing that?

marzipanned · 10/11/2013 22:37

Good luck MOG, I've re-posted that quote twice already!!

trish5000 · 10/11/2013 22:40

I can read and I can see.

"A different issue" is a wordplay. It does not mean that she agrees with it, just that it is a different issue.

She even changed what I asked her. I said "You dont actually want Britain defended" . She replied "No I dont want Britain attacking"
Again, that is a completely different thing.
She hopes people dont notice. Most dont.

That is why, apparently, people say she doesnt answer questions.

She know exactly what she is doing. Her posts have to be read carefully.

MurderOfGoths · 10/11/2013 22:41

O..k... and you've taken that to mean she's a terrorist?

marzipanned · 10/11/2013 22:48

Oh Trish, you have given me a good laugh tonight.

I suspect she found your question of whether she wanted Britain to be attacked so absurd and hyperbolic that she simply ignored it.

Anyway, good night all and to all a good night.

Wallison · 10/11/2013 22:54

trish, are you Carrie Mathieson in disguise? Good to know that someone at least is fighting the good fight against the cell that has invaded Mumsnet.

[adjusts tinfoil hat]

ravenAK · 10/11/2013 22:57

If I ever decide to be a terrorist, I'll definitely start by making posts on Mumsnet which a swivel-eyed loon could interpret as disingenuous.

It's in Terrorism 101 is that.

Whistleblower0 · 10/11/2013 23:00

Trish, i think this country needs defending from people like you. You sound barking.

Wallison · 10/11/2013 23:01

Mumsnet is a well-known Al Queda recruiting ground, actually.

PaperSeagull · 10/11/2013 23:20

Whistleblower! Grin

Perhaps Trish means that someone is keeping a list somewhere of random internet posts. Anyone on that blacklist will not be defended if the UK is ever invaded. I am probably on the list, given my posts on this thread. OTOH, I guess I'm safe since I'm not in the UK. As for the rest of you. . . Grin

Of course, in the extremely unlikely event that the UK is invaded, the members of the armed forces would defend every citizen, regardless of political beliefs or anything else. Because, you know, that's what they're meant to do.

Whistleblower0 · 10/11/2013 23:36

Thank you paper for reasurring me. It's always a Worry for me that this great country will be invaded. However i know that 'our boys' will defend us against whatever tyranny threathens our great nation Smile

nennypops · 10/11/2013 23:40

^She even changed what I asked her. I said "You dont actually want Britain defended" . She replied "No I dont want Britain attacking"
Again, that is a completely different thing.^

Trish, when you say to someone "You don't actually want Britain defended" and they respond with "No", that does mean that they want Britain defended. The fact that they follow up to say they don't want Britain attacking doesn't change that. It's basic use of the English language.