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to wonder how good heroin must feel

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complexnumber · 07/11/2013 19:26

I've tried lots of recreational drugs over the years, but never heroin
But what is it about the 'hit' heroin gives you that makes you want it again... and again...

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ScarletLady02 · 07/11/2013 22:41

I've tried it twice when I was a young teenager....made me feel sick as a dog first time but I really cared about NOTHING. If you're in a tough place with a lot of problems I can see how people become addicted to it.

Opiates are amazing drugs....any drugs when abused are problematic. I've had to take long term high dosage codeine and withdrawal isn't fun, but it's a cracking painkiller.

Diazepam is also amazing. I've taken it for panic attacks...it calms you down within 10 minutes or so from hyperventilating hysteria.

I wouldn't recommend heroin to anyone, I've lost people to it...but I can understand why people take it.

SeaSickSal · 07/11/2013 22:42

Someone who is fairly well balanced and who has had a fairly decent life will be much less likely to get addicted to heroin. Because if your normal state is bearable or pleasant you may like the feeling but you won't NEED to take it again. You will know that what an addiction can do to you is not worth it.

But if you have had a shitty horrible life and you are in the kind of mental anguish constantly which manifests itself as a physical pain - well then if you take heroin it may well be the first time in years you're released from that anguish. And you will risk an addiction because it's preferable to the pain.

It's people who have something that they need to get away from that's inside themselves who are most vulnerable.

I have taken it and probably would have ended up an addict if my supply hadn't been suddenly cut off.

I think that the mental health approach we have today of not using strong fast acting drugs is just useless for such people. It's like giving someone with a broken spine an aspirin. I wish people in such anguish could be medicated via the NHS.

MuffCakes · 07/11/2013 22:45

I still smell crack sometimes, shops, work parks on the path just get a proper whiff ahh.

Was never a full on drug addict just experimented heavily through a fucked up part of my life before I got pregnant.

Lazysuzanne · 07/11/2013 22:46

I've had tramadol for back pain, thought it was nice but never been tempted to use it recreationally.

I used to use alcohol and maryjane but these days I've lost that desire for intoxication.

I find hallucinogens interesting, dmt, mescaline and all that but no desire to actually try any of it.

Dahlen · 07/11/2013 22:47

THere are a surprising number of functioning addicts out there, just as there are functioning alcoholics. I guess these are the people who can stand their natural state long enough in each day to hold down a job and maintain relationships. I still find it very sad. (I mean sad in the proper sense, not the PA pathetic definition).

SeaSickSal - I agree with you about mental pain and the time it takes to medicate for it. I'd go one step further though and argue that with the exception of MH problems caused by physiological changes in the brain, one of the best ways the NHS could save money on MH-related and addiction problems would be to fund counselling to a much higher level. At the moment the waiting lists are too long and there aren't enough of them to go around.

Flatasawitchestit · 07/11/2013 22:51

I had diamorphine which is the same thing. It was ace.

My bil is a heroin addict, and has wasted his life away in a drug filled haze.

Ruralninja · 07/11/2013 22:51

the not caring thing is hard for me to grasp imo - my exH loved valium for that reason (not a user of it, just had it a few times for medical reasons) and it was the selfsame reason I hated it.... always loved life too much to want to switch off. Could that beca factor in addiction or not?

crunchybargalore · 07/11/2013 22:53

Dahlen that is interesting?

Do you think heroin addicts really hold down a job?

Because of the direct hit to the brain heroin is so addictive?

SeaSickSal · 07/11/2013 22:55

Dahlen pain at that level is not sorted out by counselling. I think one of the problems is that the people who make decisions on this kind of thing have never personally experienced anything like that so have no idea how awful and all consuming it is.

I think if you suggested to someone who'd been addicted to smack that they might not have ended up taking it if they'd had counselling they would just laugh at you.

20-40 years of a brutal life is not going to be wiped out by a couple of hours a week telling a nice lady in a cardie about it. I think it's that basic misunderstanding of how bad it is that leads people to feel that illegal drugs are the only way out for them.

dinnaementiontheprunes · 07/11/2013 22:56

I don't get high from diazepam. Missing a trick!

Strumpetron · 07/11/2013 22:57

Agree 100% with SeaSickSal

Dahlen · 07/11/2013 22:58

I've had to attend training about addiction because it was related to something I do. That's where I found out the figures. I know of someone who has held down the same job for the last 12 years while feeding an addiction.

I think as most drug use is illegal it only tends to pervade people's consciousness when they feel the effects of the crime associated with it. So a functioning user who is funding their habit through work rather than burglary won't cross anyone's radar unless they happen to get caught by the police buying their drugs for example.

But like functioning alcoholics, functioning is the same as functional. It's still not a great way to live. I haven't yet met an addict of any kind of drug whose life I have ever come close to envying.

SeaSickSal · 07/11/2013 22:59

Rural ninja, exactly. If you're enjoying life and feeling good you wouldn't need to take it. But if life is horrible, brutal, painful and you have been so traumatised that you carry pain with you all the time it's just something you want to get away from. It's almost like suicide without the finality.

Mumofalittlegirl · 07/11/2013 22:59

I can well believe there are functioning addicts out there.

I can go to work having taken codeine at a high level (although I won't drive that day) if my pain is particularly bad so I can imagine that if you take heroin at a dose that just keeps you in check that you could well function.

Alas that's not taking into account the many mental health and social issues that come along with addiction that prevent people functioning

Dahlen · 07/11/2013 22:59

SeaSick - sorry if that came across as dismissive. I didn't mean to suggest that counselling is a panacea for mental anguish.

I have more to say but will post this first to get it up there.

Strumpetron · 07/11/2013 23:01

Well apparently the drug of choice for 'housewives' these days is codeine. They get caught in the trap of it, subscribed for pain, highly addictive.

I myself fell into it, and I still take the odd couple even when I'm not in pain. Which is stupid I know.

tillyo · 07/11/2013 23:02

When I was seriously ill I become addicted to morphine as people have said it doesn't take pain away but makes you feel different so you don't feel the pain as much. If I'm given it now it just makes me feel sick so I try and avoid it at all cost now.

Mumofalittlegirl · 07/11/2013 23:02

I'm not a 'housewife addict' I'm sadly a chronic pain patient that deals with arthritic and neuropathic pain on a daily basis. It's not fun.

I deliberately keep my dosages low to avoid addiction

Strumpetron · 07/11/2013 23:04

Sorry mumof I hope you didn't think I was trying to insinuate you are, I was just talking out loud.

I'm prescribed codeine because I was assaulted last year, got my head kicked in and broken hand and wrists so it manages my pain. I don't take them anymore though - except the odd ones I admitted too - because I know how addictive they are.

crunchybargalore · 07/11/2013 23:06

From NIDA

Prescription Opioid Abuse: A First Step to Heroin Use?

Prescription opioid pain medications such as Oxycontin and Vicodin can have effects similar to heroin when taken in doses or in ways other than prescribed, and they are currently among the most commonly abused drugs in the United States. Research now suggests that abuse of these drugs may open the door to heroin abuse.

Nearly half of young people who inject heroin surveyed in three recent studies reported abusing prescription opioids before starting to use heroin. Some individuals reported taking up heroin because it is cheaper and easier to obtain than prescription opioids.

Many of these young people also report that crushing prescription opioid pills to snort or inject the powder provided their initiation into these methods of drug administration.

Heroin is an opioid drug that is synthesized from morphine, a naturally occurring substance extracted from the seed pod of the Asian opium poppy plant. Heroin usually appears as a white or brown powder or as a black sticky substance, known as “black tar heroin.”

In 2011, 4.2 million Americans aged 12 or older (or 1.6 percent) had used heroin at least once in their lives. It is estimated that about 23 percent of individuals who use heroin become dependent on it.

How Does Heroin Affect the Brain?

When it enters the brain, heroin is converted back into morphine, which binds to molecules on cells known as opioid receptors. These receptors are located in many areas of the brain (and in the body), especially those involved in the perception of pain and in reward. Opioid receptors are also located in the brain stem, which controls automatic processes critical for life, such as blood pressure, arousal, and respiration. Heroin overdoses frequently involve a suppression of breathing, which can be fatal.

After an intravenous injection of heroin, users report feeling a surge of euphoria (“rush”) accompanied by dry mouth, a warm flushing of the skin, heaviness of the extremities, and clouded mental functioning. Following this initial euphoria, the user goes “on the nod,” an alternately wakeful and drowsy state. Users who do not inject the drug may not experience the initial rush, but other effects are the same.

Regular heroin use changes the functioning of the brain. One result is tolerance, in which more of the drug is needed to achieve the same intensity of effect. Another result is dependence, character-ized by the need to continue use of the drug to avoid withdrawal symptoms.

Injection Drug Use and HIV and HCV Infection

People who inject drugs are at high risk of contracting HIV and hepatitis C (HCV). This is because these diseases are transmitted through contact with blood or other bodily fluids, which can occur when sharing needles or other injection drug use equipment. (HCV is the most common blood-borne infection in the Unites States.) HIV (and less often HCV) can also be contracted during unprotected sex, which drug use makes more likely.

Because of the strong link between drug abuse and the spread of infectious disease, drug abuse treatment can be an effective way to prevent the latter. People in drug abuse treatment, which often includes risk reduction counseling, stop or reduce their drug use and related risk behaviors, including risky injection practices and unsafe sex.

What Are the Other Health Effects of Heroin?

Heroin abuse is associated with a number of serious health conditions, including fatal overdose, spontaneous abortion, and infectious diseases like hepatitis and HIV (see box, “Injection Drug Use and HIV and HCV Infection”). Chronic users may develop collapsed veins, infection of the heart lining and valves, abscesses, constipation and gastrointestinal cramping, and liver or kidney disease. Pulmonary complications, including various types of pneumonia, may result from the poor health of the user as well as from heroin’s effects.

Brices · 07/11/2013 23:06

Heroin description = "Imagining how a mum's hug would feel" not remembering a mum's hug. Found this post poignant, can see how heroin would feel like unconditional love if you've not had that from a parent

Mumofalittlegirl · 07/11/2013 23:07

That's ok. I just get defensive as if I'm out, particularly at places like festivals where bag searches occur, I will get told in a 'jokey' manner that 'that lot could make you a fortune!'

Strumpetron · 07/11/2013 23:08

I will get told in a 'jokey' manner that 'that lot could make you a fortune!

Oh christ I've got loads of boxes of 30/500's, wonder what the street market for that is Wink

Dahlen · 07/11/2013 23:08

I maintain that the only way to really banish mental pain that has been caused by years of suffering is to deal with the cause. Drugs can only ever deal with the symptoms, but can't cure.

I accept that sometimes the damage done is just too severe to be undone. It's like a terminal illness in effect. THe best you can hope to achieve is to reduce the main to a bearable level until nature takes it course.

I agree with you that the NHS should look into ways of achieving that. We keep hearing about how MH issues should not be stigmatised and should be viewed in the same way as physical illness, but no one treats mental pain the same as physical pain. Sad Make it about addiction and there seems to be even less understanding.

But IMO some addicts would be far better helped with intensive counselling that could help them deal with their pain effectively enough to remove the need the chemical pain relief. In turn, that can lead to greater control over their life and it sets in motion an upward spiral.

All the successful ex-addicts I've met have said that a combination of counselling, family support and opportunities to improve their lives themselves have made the difference between success this time round and failure in the past.

EmmaBemma · 07/11/2013 23:09

Some really great, thoughtful posts on here. Not your usual AIBU fodder!