to wonder how good heroin must feel

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I've tried lots of recreational drugs over the years, but never heroin
But what is it about the 'hit' heroin gives you that makes you want it again... and again...

Jelly You are thinking about what is being expressed here in a very concrete manner.

I think this is an honest and brave thread.

Nothing wrong with anyone's heads

There must be on some level to want to take it in the first place.

I had diamorphine in a huge dose in labour. I hated it. I felt as if the room was spinning. I kept seeing the missing nursery rabbit from my work in the corner and felt I was falling off the bed.

In my second labour I had it small does and it just made me sleepy.

There must be on some level to want to take it in the first place

Actually I suspect a lot of people would have tried it when they were much younger, possibly at a time when it wasn't as frowned upon. Or perhaps it was but experimented anyway. They've been truthful and shared their experience.

The majority of us have spoken about morphine, the pure form which obviously we've had for medical reasons.

Jelly- it's human nature to be curious, nothing is black and white.

Nonsense. The mechanics of addicted and compulsive behaviours are present in everybody.

Ever sabotaged an intention to eat or live more healthily?

Ever been on a diet and eaten something you shouldn't?

Ever had a drink of alcohol when you really felt you shouldn't?

Ever felt a compulsion to do something you know you shouldn't or intended not to?

It is actually not that big a leap from there......To there......

now crack, i really hated. I injected it and the rush was like being hit with a brick and then i felt jittery and really anxious and panicky and couldnt wait for it to wear off. Never did that again

jelly I don't think that's necessarily true.

I know my best friend was highly intelligent, she'd not suffered any abuse or neglect but made a series of silly decisions. There was nothing wrong with her as such. Not until it took a hold.

I do find it fascinating, maybe morbidly so. Having lost someone I loved to it( and seen many school friends succumb to it also) its always been repulsive to me.

But the pull must be there and I see no wrong in discussing what that is

My uncle has methadone as pain relief for cancer treatment, it barely touches it.

I take codeine and on occasion oramorph for pain relief, again, no effect.

Diazepam, however, now that's a funky arsed high!

I should clarify that I don't take it to get high I take it for muscle spasms!

well its bound to be controversial.

Not trying to win anyone round.

Like many of you I have been given morphine as a painkiller and it felt great. Definitely warm ,fluffy, safe . I remember thinking , oh that's why people do it.

A good book for those wanting to know more is 'Out Of It'-a cultural history of intoxication' by Stuart Walton here. Loads of stuff there on the history, culture and science of drug use.

'Writing on Drugs' by Sadie Plant is interesting here;

Another good book is 'The Fix' by Brian Freemantle.

i fucking love diazepam. I really love it.
I hardly ever take it though. I have it on hand for sleep occasionally, but having beaten a large scale amphetamine addiction, im very very careful with what i touch now and petrified of getting addicted to stuff,

I only take it when my muscles spasm and catch the nerves. Floaty sleepy goodness.

I hate tramadol with a passion. Nasty nasty painkiller.

Jelly in my experience the people who I knew who were heroin addicts were the people who had never really experienced a mothers hug at least until it was it was too late.

When I was younger and much more judgemental I used to say we all had hard lives why did they turn to drugs but I soon realised that it was only down to luck and probably personality on my part.

Everyone is different and how they deal with the hard parts of life is different. Where I was brought up there are high levels of drug addiction and high levels of suicide. I believe that sometimes people feel that is there only choice.

It feels a bit like when you're just falling asleep, that point where you're fuzzily just about conscious and you have a lovely feeling in the pit of your stomach.

my body can still recreate the rush of MDMA some 10 years after I took it on a regular basis. If I unexpectedly hear a tune from my old clubbing days, the hair on my arms stand on end and I get a rush! How cool is that?

I had one dose of diamorphine about 42 hours into a three-day labour, and then again with a tumour in torsion where I was screaming in so much pain they couldn't examine me.

It was incredible - pps who have described watching the world through bulletproof glass in the most comfortable chair ever, yes that was precisely my experience.

My grandfather had it during after his knee replacement operation at eighty and very calmly said he quite understood why people got addicted to heroin. At the time I was but now I understand what he means.

If I had easy access to hospital-grade diamorphine I'd be sorely tempted.

I had gas and air when in labour which left me pretty high (and offering it to passing members of staff ) but I also felt rather disorientated and before long didn't like the feeling of loss of control. It's the same reason that I don't ever get hideously lying-in-the-gutter-don't-know-who-I-am drunk (though I've spent many an evening getting acquainted with the toilet in the past). The loss of control.

I'm not a control freak, but I am self-controlled. I think that's a good thing. I am still spontaneous, happy, adaptable and like to have fun. I can feel euphoric when running, ecstatic when dancing, relaxed when walking the dog, focused when working, amused when with my DC/friends, etc.
I would hate to think that I would need any form of chemical assistance to feel those. What I feel quite naturally is more than enough.

Had morphine during my labour with Dd1, really didn't like the feeling. Felt spaced out, and panicking in a weird relaxed sort of way that I was out of control, if that makes sense.
When on an experimental stage in my early twenties, I felt the same about marijuana, I used to panic if I could feel myself relax too much.
I loved MDMA though and cocaine, the whole ritual of going out, scoring, the dance scene, house parties til 11am the next day, laughing about the nights events, then finally crashing out. Although I gave it up quite easily when I left Uni, I can see how things can escalate, and what once was something fun, becomes something you need.
My cousin has taken street Heroin a few times, and said it was boring.

I've been told that it makes you just not feel anything any more and makes you stop caring.

Basically it replaces everything else as it fucks with your reward pathway.

I knew someone who dies of a heron overdose.

So so sd for his family - he made out he was finally on his way tonne clean and needed money to fix his bad teeth. His parents fell for it and finally told people he was on his way to being clean - he then died.

Tragic way to go.

YANBU - curiosity and all that.

Anecdotally - morphine is fucking horrible.

NedZep I am exactly the same.

Haven't taken Class A drugs for about 10 years, but regularly did in the late 80s and 90s.

The right feeling, the right tune and I get tingly toes, goosebumps and a mini-rush.

I have a few friends who say the same thing. I wonder how that works?