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to ask for your help in writing an objection to Operation Christmas Child?

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autumnwinds · 02/11/2013 12:57

Our local primary is supporting OCC and has published a piece in the village magazine explaining how wonderful it is and how much the local children enjoy it, what a difference it makes to needy children, and inviting local residents to donate too. The piece omits any reference to the evangelical christian literature that is distributed with the parcels and the way that the gifts are used as a tool to agressively convert recipients to christianity.

I would like to write a reply for publishing in next month's issue trying to give the full picture so that people can make an informed choice about whether to donate to this charity, and to suggest some alternatives that don't come with the religious baggage.

As I don't have a child at the primary yet I'm not sure about tackling the school itself about it (they are not a faith school, so not sure they should be supporting this). DC will be starting next year so I might save that fight for next xmas!

Anyway does anyone have any ideas about a few lines I could write, something succinct and unemotional? I feel quite cross about it but don't want to come across as an equally fundamentalist atheist. I've been looking for some evidence on the web for people who want to know more but most of it is not well referenced...

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puntasticusername · 12/11/2013 19:32

I will never cease to be amazed at the way people will continue to raise utterly ignorant and irrelevant points over and over on a single thread. Totally bizarre. I shan't aim that remark at any "side" in particular, in case it qualifies as an attack, but previous posts make it clear where my sympathies lie.

May I also register my extreme disappointment that we didn't stop this thread at 666 posts just on principle :p

Bluestocking · 12/11/2013 20:51

I haven't heard from Brian with a contact name and email address at DfID. I'm still hoping he'll either post it or PM me.
I have found a mention on the SP website of DfID (www.samaritans-purse.org.uk/DFID-Uganda-MCH) but no mention on the DfID website of SP.

Catkinsthecatinthehat · 12/11/2013 21:37

I have found a mention on the SP website of DfID (www.samaritans-purse.org.uk/DFID-Uganda-MCH) but no mention on the DfID website of SP.

Yes, the SP website is interestingly worded. DfID is doing huge amounts of good work in Uganda. You can see its 2011-2015 plan here. Vast amounts of projects across 13 priority areas, including maternal and child health. And work with very large numbers of partners.

At first glance the SP website could give the impression that it's heavily involved in DfIDs work and a major partner and player in the area, like Christian Aid or whatnot. Whereas if you dig a bit more it appears that they've run a community consultation into maternal health in Napak district and got a small global development grant to run a maternal health education project in the area. All very good and worthy, but they ain't 'partnering' in the sense that a normal person would understand it, but just got a small grant from a DfID funded body which does community projects.

exexpat · 12/11/2013 22:00

I haven't been around all day, so just saw Brian's post from early this morning. I am guessing that as an active participant in OCC threads, I am one of the people he has kindly invited to witness a distribution in Eastern Europe.

While that might sound like a good way to dispel any misgivings we might have about OCC, I really don't think that sending someone who does not speak the local language, and has no local connections or background knowledge, to watch one carefully selected event, would really reveal very much. It would be a PR junket, plain and simple. I don't trust newspaper reports written by people whose 'fact-finding' missions were funded and escorted by the companies/countries/dictators/hotel chains etc they are writing about, and this would be no different.

Now if we could find, say, an independent-minded Romanian (or Nepali or Haitian or whatever) journalist to look at the whole long-term picture in an area where Samaritan's Purse is active - what impact they are actually having on communities - that would be much more interesting. Or even better, an independent observer with a background in the development of that region.

Even so, I would almost be tempted to take Brian up on the offer just out of curiosity, but unfortunately as a single parent with no childcare back-up, it is just not feasible for me to disappear off to Eastern Europe for a few days.

If anything, I would be more interested (and much better placed) to shadow one of the OCC volunteers who goes into British schools giving assemblies to promote OCC, so I could see just how they present the scheme. I presume it is too late for this year, but maybe next year, Brian? In the spirit of total transparency?

gaelicsheep · 12/11/2013 22:03

I wrote a note to my son's school and told them we would not be sending in a shoebox because a) I disagree with the requirement for new goods as it is a waste of natural resources, and more to the point b) I object to supporting an organisation with a clear missionary agenda.

Bluestocking · 12/11/2013 22:08

Thanks, Catkins, for digging deeper. I thought the wording was "interesting" too.
Exexpat, on the subject of not speaking the language, I would be interested to know what the Nepalis in the video are actually saying.

exexpat · 12/11/2013 22:08

dawndonna - very interesting that that is all the Guardian had to retract - from what Brian seemed to be implying I assumed it was something much more extreme than quoting from the wrong 'bible story booklet'.

The current version, The Greatest Gift, doesn't have a pledge to sign, but it does include this:

"Do you want to be a friend and follower of Jesus? If you do, you can speak to Him right now, by praying the prayer below: Dear Jesus, I want to be your friend and follower. I know that I have made wrong choices and have done sinful things. I'm sorry; I do not want to live that way any more. Please forgive me and change me. Jesus, I believe You are God's Son. I believe You died to take punishment for my sins. I believe God raised You back to life. Please fill me with Your Holy Spirit, so I will have all of the faith I need to trust and follow only You. Lord, thank you for rescuing me and making me Yours. Amen."

And then asks children to list friends and family members they can tell about their conversion. So, not technically a pledge card, but very much in the same ballpark. It sounds like the inside/outside/alongside etc distinction about exactly how the booklets are distributed with the shoeboxes.

exexpat · 12/11/2013 22:14

This is the Guardian story, with the retraction attached.

It ends with the line "Samaritan's Purse insists it now makes clear in all its information that it is a Christian organisation" - but four years later it still hasn't quite managed to making it clear in all its information that OCC is an evangelical campaign, despite the same criticisms being levelled at it for more than a decade.

Catkinsthecatinthehat · 12/11/2013 22:22

And the consultation they ran in one of the poorest, least well served areas of Uganda, obtained the response that locals "identified the need for nutrition, public health education and access to health services as priorities". I mean, no shit Sherlock!

Karoleann · 12/11/2013 22:29

I thin its fairly obvious on our leaflet this year that its a Christian charity. It says that children are invited to attend a church service and why is that so wrong.
Christmas is a Christian celebration, it is seems fairly obvious that a Christmas box would have that link

gaelicsheep · 12/11/2013 22:31

Karoleann - if the country is not a Christian country, why is a Christmas box appropriate in the first place? Send presents to the children by all means (but why new rubbish for heaven's sake?) but it does not have to be at Christmas, unless you have an agenda which you clearly do.

BlingBang · 12/11/2013 22:46

Karoleann - would you feel the same if a similar intentioned Muslim charity came to your kids school, invited them to the Mosque and gave them presents at Eid and invited them to pray to Allah and to become Muslim?

it's exactly the same thing. If you wouldn't want that to happen to your children then why would you support it happening to other children? Anyone who supplies a shoebox knowing all this has to take some of the responsibility that a child somewhere imight be converted to Christianity because of them.

perfectstorm · 13/11/2013 00:59

It's wrong because they aren't invited to attend a church service. They're invited to start a course that indoctrinates them into an extreme and right-wing Christian sect. One that thinks we live in a world of evil and corruption that can only be saved by turning to the Bible and running our democracies according to its word, that has an absolute hatred of gay people, that thinks women should submit to their husbands, that all abortion is murder and abstinence-only birth control should be practised even in areas ravaged by HIV, and that people of other faiths are led astray by Satan because those faiths are "evil" and "wicked". That is not mainstream Christianity. There's an excellent article written by the Vicar of Putney and a Philosophy lecturer at Oxford, who cannot be accused of lacking faith, and says: What is most resented about Samaritan's Purse is the way it links aid and evangelism. "We have no problem with people going into a country to do evangelical work," said Hodan Hassan, a spokeswoman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. "But when you mix humanitarian work in a war-torn country with evangelisation you create a problem. You have desperate people and you have someone who has food in one hand and a Bible in another."

The very weakly worded references to their background in the literature are only there at all because the Charity Commission ordered them to alter their materials to reflect their faith-based motivations a few years ago. Before that, even the softly-softly wording was absent.

When challenged because a Mexican mission found the money they had to pay for the boxes (the costs are only met for packing and distribution in this country, automatically - local missions are expected to meet the local costs (which does rather beg the question of what they do with the rest of it?) was more than the contents were worth, the charity stated: The value of the physical content is less important. This is not humanitarian aid necessarily, but what we call a gospel sharing opportunity. The purpose is not for simply handing out a gift to a child, but for the sake of spreading the gospel. The article, by the way, is posted on a Christian blog.

The Samaritan's Purse published their own report in 2003 stating that 82% of the children given boxes in India completed the missionary course. That was their focus, not whether the issues Save the Children have identified with the project in terms of it being counter-productive, divisive and wasteful as aid are correct. They want this project not because it's an effective or even a positive way of giving, but because it's effective evangelism. They openly say as much. They don't want to give kiddies Christmas gifts. They want to use the gifts to buy access so they can convert them.

This is not about God, or Christianity, any more than the Taliban and Al Qaida are about Islam. It's about fundamentalist ideologies that seek to impose a theocracy over us all - Franklin Graham is entirely open in that aim. He wants his version of Christianity to be what governs the planet, and he wants your donations to achieve that. I for one am not happy that my little boy came home from school all excited about how he could help poorer kids have some toys to play with, when that isn't the core aim here at all. He was lied to (seems that is a Commandment Samaritan's Purse are a little wibbly on). Spreading the fundamentalist Christian word is the goal - and as a non-Fundie, I have better uses for the money.

The biggest killer of kids worldwide is malaria - how about sending the money so locals can benefit the economy by making malaria nets, which in turn save lives? Good Gifts have that on offer for anyone who wants to, you know - actually make a difference. For eight quid, you can protect a whole family this year.

gaelicsheep · 13/11/2013 01:10

perfectstorm - my DS came home with the same message. In fact I even got the impression that the intention was that he donated something of his own to send to a needy child somewhere else in the world. Then, thank God, I Googled these people and the more I hear about this the more inclined I am to formally write to the headteacher to express my disgust. His school is a state funded faith school, worst luck, and enough of this stuff gets shoved down DS's throat, to the point that at the age of 7 he has already decided he will not, ever believe in God or Jesus. To fund an evangelical organisation to go and do that overseas in the name of aid is just unacceptable in my book.

SoupDragon · 13/11/2013 07:15

Our primary have just done OCC. Whist I was unhappy with it, I let them get on with it but I am going to write in the next week to suggest they do Mary's Backpacks next year.

I suspect I will have less success with the Scouts who also do this though.

Dawndonnaagain · 13/11/2013 10:05

Thank you for the site, Perfect Storm, it has been utilised!

StrictlySazz · 19/11/2013 15:00

After my letter our school are no longer going to support OCC but Mary's Meals instead Smile

The Head and the teacher who 'ran' it in school had no idea about the evangelicalism nor other concerns with OCC, so those who say it is 'obvious' to everyone are, in my sample of 2, incorrect.

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