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to delete my Facebook account because of the beheading videos.

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 19:13

The thought of the videos turn my stomach. The only people who want to watch them are sickoes and as an organisation that lets children join from the age of 13 (and they know that children alot younger use it) they should have better moral judgement.

I can't imagine what it does to the families of the victims to know that a video of their love one being murdered is doing the rounds on Facebook.

I just think the whole thing stinks!

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AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 21:58

I agree with that AgentZigzag.

Especially it's important for governments not to have full control over it because it's such a unique entity

The freedom or facility to publish lots of things on the net is what allows certain things going on in the world to become known about widely, it is very important not to stop that.

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 22:06

The government of this country makes the law on what is allowed to be viewed on the net. It controls already to some extent. When did it become acceptable to view murders. It should be illegal. Why is murder legal to view but child abuse not. Is one worse than another?

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AgentZigzag · 22/10/2013 22:06

It's the implications of the link I posted about the dark layer of the net which is the most important, and what almost negates any protests made about the 'surface net' that we see.

The things that go on underneath the surface are the worst and the best of the net.

It can bring governments down at the same time as allowing people who have no political freedoms have an amount of power. Can let groups of men hunt down victims at the same time as holding governments to account for their crimes.

You can't underestimate either side, but without one side you wouldn't have the other.

AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 22:08

I take it you are not familiar with Liveleak.com

AgentZigzag · 22/10/2013 22:09

'The government of this country makes the law on what is allowed to be viewed on the net.'

Only in a very, very limited way.

And like I say, what we see on the net isn't the problem, it's the bits we can't see that cause more pain, suffering and misery than you could ever imagine
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AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 22:10

That was to the op.

AgentZigzag · 22/10/2013 22:12

And I'm not talking about conspiracy get your tin foil hat out ideas, this parallel cyberspace is real.

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 22:19

What we see on the net is a problem. If you think video's of people bieng murdered being viewed by kids isn't a problem then your moral compass is way out.

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Lonelybunny · 22/10/2013 22:22

YANBU I got a pic of a dead baby dumped in a park come up on my newsfeed and it made me feel physically sick and so so sad , it played on my mind for weeks. Not to mention the videos of Japanese skinning dogs alive , it's sick and unnecessary in the least !

AgentZigzag · 22/10/2013 22:23

'If you think video's of people bieng murdered being viewed by kids isn't a problem then your moral compass is way out.'

Yes, yes you're right, I don't even have a moral compass while I hunt them out for my 3 YO to view at her leisure Hmm

You've not acknowledged that you see what I'm saying and have twisted it for some reason.

Mia4 · 22/10/2013 22:36

It is very gross, I wouldn't hesitate to defriend anyone who posted it up to laugh about-both online and offline. I really don't get facebooks reasoning either, any muppet knows that even if people condemn it sends the videos viral. The only thing i can think is if there's a change.org petition to try and show fb people really fin it grim.

I can't stand the photos that make their rounds too, I once defiriended and blocked someone who kept posting religious quotes alongside pictures of murdered children. Vile because of the pictures but the words used alongside them were trite religious passages. He couldn't understand why i didn't want to see it and was offended by his either putting the quortes on or finding them to repost, hence the blocking.

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 22:36

You said what we see on the net isn't the problem. I disagree, I think video's of murder bieng viewed by 13 year olds is a massive problem. I am judging your views from what you post as that is all I have to go on. If that isn't what you meant be more careful what you write. You are obviously intelligent. I took what you said at face value.

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AgentZigzag · 22/10/2013 22:52

It's the connection between the two that's the problem.

Whatever you try to do to the surface, there's always going to be this shit bubbling up from underneath it, shit that even government geeks can't stop (I think it's how Julian Assange gets his info out) .

I'm not saying you shouldn't try to do anything, but it's the underlying infection that's the problem. You can shut down your fb account, never use the internet again, but it won't save even one child from these packs of predators.

I have the same problems Mia, there's a really good friend I've got on there who keeps posting really graphic pictures of animal abuse. And I hate people who post pictures of huge eight legged freaks they've cornered as well

Mia4 · 22/10/2013 22:58

Grim isn't it AgentZigzag. Showing murder victims or abused animals doesn't help any of them, it just feeds the likewhores who then sell on the page and upsets everyone who sees them.

The spider ones are freaky too, there's a hoax one of one that's as big as a wall and 'eats animals'- my friend with agoraphobia has had to use an app to block them before seeing.

AgentZigzag · 22/10/2013 23:02

I'm on a few missing people websites who are able to get up to date info passed round quickly, a brilliant tool for when youngsters go walkabout without there necessarily being anything sinister that would interest the media.

BackOnlyBriefly · 22/10/2013 23:19

It would make sense if Facebook blocked nothing at all and said freedom of speech was more important than the viewers comfort. If they censor some things but not that then that's hardly consistent.

Luckily I am immune to facebook. I never could see the point of it and don't use it.

Have these beheadings been shown on TV? If so then I have to ask what the difference is.

Btw even if FB did block them they'd still be there. They can't take a page down until someone tells them about it. They can't watch them all.

UrbaneLandlord · 22/10/2013 23:31

What about the poor guys getting beheaded?

I've looked through this thread and there is virtually no compassion or concern expressed for the victims of beheading themselves.

It's all about YOU YOU YOU; and how you want to bury your heads in the sand (no pun intended) and close your eyes & cover your ears to the awful knowledge of man's inhumanity to man.

Instead of fulminating against Facebook, why not direct your anger at the behaviour of the people doing the beheading?

Giggle78 · 22/10/2013 23:36

I have just deleted my facebook account.

I did it before I read this thread.

I just don't want to be tolerating such abuse by supporting an organisation that not only tolerates but gives it a platform for being shared.

Of course vile stuff can be found else where but I can control what I go on to the internet. So far so good - I have seen very very little things that I would not want to see. .

Facebook can say whatever they like but in the words of spiderman 'with much power comes much responsibility'. Facebook have a lot of power and so they could be using it responsibly.

Being able to do or say whatever you want no matter how hurtful, vile, offensive or violent it is, has never in the whole course of human history led to freedom.

TheFabulousIdiot · 22/10/2013 23:36

Have you actually deleted it?

TheFabulousIdiot · 22/10/2013 23:37

Sorry, that question was to the op.

Boaby · 22/10/2013 23:43

A 'friend' of mine commented on one of these videos which meant it showed up on my feed. The video still alone was horrific (2 men beheaded by a Mexican cartel) blood everywhere & clearly showed two headless bodies. Absolutely disgusting, those poor men & their families too.

mojojomo · 22/10/2013 23:59

www.facebook.com/help/delete_account

This link will delete, not disable your account.
After clicking submit you have 2 weeks grace during which logging in will reopen your account.

WallyBantersJunkBox · 23/10/2013 00:15

How exactly are average people going to direct anger at Mexican cartels?

Not being flippant - I'm genuinely interested.

I don't think it's a case of You, you, you. This is a parental website and most people here are thinking in terms of the context of Facebook being a hugely popular site for young teens, or even younger. Whilst I don't let DS have an account I know that several of his 9 year old friends do.

Surely in this context Facebook should be policing their site in an age appropriate manner? Or making the site suitable for an older age group if they want to allow these videos.

My son will innocently ask to use YouTube for Minecraft videos and Lego build movies, but I have to police it so harshly as he is only ever two films away, it seems, from some kind of adult posting where he hasn't understood the context of the search.

However, if anyone wants to make an impact on Facebook - perhaps start with targeting their form of income - advertising, and start highlighting your intentions to stop buying products advertised on the site?

AgentZigzag · 23/10/2013 00:18

As legendary as Spiderman is Giggle, the quote would probably have more credibility if you referenced Voltaire instead Grin

AgentZigzag · 23/10/2013 00:21

They've disabled the adverts on the video Wally, after one company complained they didn't want associating with it.