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to delete my Facebook account because of the beheading videos.

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 19:13

The thought of the videos turn my stomach. The only people who want to watch them are sickoes and as an organisation that lets children join from the age of 13 (and they know that children alot younger use it) they should have better moral judgement.

I can't imagine what it does to the families of the victims to know that a video of their love one being murdered is doing the rounds on Facebook.

I just think the whole thing stinks!

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AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 20:20

Thing is, those videos have always been on facebook anyway. They would just have previously been removed.

All that has changed is that now they are prohibited.

Previously they would have been on there for a good while prior to deletion, they still have to be reported I expect?

AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 20:21

...and no I wouldn't watch them.

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 20:34

I had always assumed that they would not allow these videos and it is only because they have lifted the ban that I know they ever did allow them.

I can't work out when it became legal to show videos of people being murdered. I'm sure snuff movies were illegal in the 80's and 90's. Will Facebook start allowing people to share videos children being abused or people being tortured if they think it is to raise awareness?

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AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 20:37

That sort of thing is all over the internet. I have seen all sorts shared on fb.

fromparistoberlin · 22/10/2013 20:38

women in heels stepping on kittens !!??!!!

called me a fucked up animal loving brit but thats HORRIBLE, has upset me more than beheading

yanbu, but facebook wont give a shit, and they are on youtube anyway

all these atrocities available to see, like the good old days hey?

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 20:49

I haven't seen all sort on Facebook. If anyone shared sick photos or vids with me I would defriend them instantly. In real life.

The fact that you haven't condemned them says alot Amber.
Just because they exist on the net doesn't make it okay. I don't watch much on youtube and now I'm inclined not to use them either.

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AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 20:56

The fact that you haven't condemned them says alot Amber

What?

When did I say it was okay?

When did I say my fb friends were the ones doing the sharing?

KirjavaTheCorpse · 22/10/2013 21:02

I've come across these videos by way of my SIL hunting them down to 'condemn' them via the comments section. Doing so shared it to my timeline, and her children who are on facebook. What do facebook expect to happen by allowing them to be there? You can't undo what's being shown in the videos by fucking condemning it on the internet.

Behead someone and share the video with millions? Acceptable, to allow for condemnation.

...Breastfeed a baby and share the picture with your friendlist? Unacceptable. You can see tit.

Fucking ridiculous.

AgentZigzag · 22/10/2013 21:02

Amber hasn't said she hasn't condemned them has she?

What a poster said earlier is true really, that disturbing/distressing things are all over the net, why is anyone on it when that's happening?

There's a huge tension between controlling the spread of disgusting acts/offending and the freedoms the net enables. It would not be OK to control the net, all countries governments would love it to be the case, but thankfully they're not able to because of the way the net works.

But then there are sides of it, like the deep net, dark internet etc which make it impossible to track offenders at the same time as allowing political freedoms to people in China.

It's so complex that facebook allowing this is just one grain of sand on all the beaches in the world.

AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 21:12

No AgentZigzag I haven't!

I did say that I don't watch them though and that is how I would 'condemn' them, as Kirjava says, commenting on them just spreads them to your friends homepages anyway.

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 21:14

amber hasn't condemned them in the posts on this thread. All she has done is gone ' meh, what can you do, its everywhere'. As for controlling the net, it is illegal to show images and video's of child abuse, it should be illegal to show images or videos of murder. The government want to make simulated rape porn illegal. I can't for the life of me think why not actual murders. What else should be allowed Zigzag.

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AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 21:18

No that is not what I have said at all.

You seemed to not realise that this was already going on, that is what I was commenting on.

Lj8893 · 22/10/2013 21:19

Yanbu.

A fb friend who usually posts funny videos posted that one, I watched it expecting to have a giggle. Was not expecting that.

I was physically sick and it still mentally haunts me.

MissMuesli · 22/10/2013 21:23

I saw on facebook a video of a woman being horribly sexually assaulted infront of a crowd. Bloody horrific. I only watch video off "like" pages, that I trust now. I don't understand why people comment saying "That's sick" etc, making sure the video gets further around facebook. Report, and move on!

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 21:24

I just re read your first post amber and the point is that they are no longer prohibited but allowed under certain circumstances. On a network knowingly used by kids. I think we have a slight mix up.

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SoleSorceress · 22/10/2013 21:25

Oh fuck! I'm glad nobody on my FB has shared that with me and if they do I will delete everything.

Who is being beheaded and where, for what? :(

AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 21:27

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 22/10/2013 21:41

"SDTG- it's totally playing into the murderers' hands: now they know that their snuff movies have the largest social network in the world (I assume) as a facilitator to spread their propaganda, it can only encourage them to use this tactic more and more. If it was illegal for sites to host them and for dickheads to view them, it would be a far less tempting proposition- what would be the point of spreading fear and violence in that way if nobody viewed and talked about it?"

That is what I was trying to say in the second part of my post, BOF (the first part was a bit flippant, though I do believe anyone sharing these videos will show themselves to be an utter twunt).

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 21:41

Ignoring your last comment, in your first post you said All that has changed is that now they are prohibited. The point is now they are NOT prohibited. That is the whole news story. I think you are mixed up.

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WillowJoinInOurCrufae · 22/10/2013 21:42

Are FB still banning breadfeeding photos? If there are then this makes NO sense - you can't show breastfeeding, but you can show an execution.

AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 21:47

Prior to that I said;

Thing is, those videos have always been on facebook anyway. They would just have previously been removed

I am not mixed up, I just missed out 'not' in that post. That is apparent from what I said before the bit you quoted.

Meglet · 22/10/2013 21:50

Yanbu. I've been considering it too.

There are some truly fucked up individuals working at FB if they think this stuff can be shared Sad.

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sofadahl · 22/10/2013 21:51

There is a huge difference, morally, between removing them and allowing them to stay there forever. Can you not see that?

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AgentZigzag · 22/10/2013 21:53

"What else should be allowed Zigzag."

I think you're also mixing up what I'm saying too.

You're making out I'm all for videos showing violent sexual assaults or murder, and I presume they'd be illegal whatever country they're in.

But looking at the way the net has evolved, it's important for governments not to have full control over it because it's such a unique entity.

If you don't think it is or you don't agree with that then you're free not to use it, but it won't make a difference to the billions who do.

There are positives and negatives to that like there are with everything, and the unfortunate reality is that abuse and torture will go on whether the net's there or not.

AmberLeaf · 22/10/2013 21:55

Um, of course there is a difference between removing and not removing. Why would anyone not see that?