If a small nursery opened (14 children) by you how would you feel?

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I'm just trying to gauge if IABU or if my neighbours ABU?

Thanks.

why would mums have to give up work? and it wouldn't be a shame if dads had to give up? unless you are closing your current premises and have to give notice to all parents?

yes we have to give notice to some parents, it's the mums who have told me they will be stopping work.

what spaces? what? I think I'm too tired! I shall wish you good luck

no spaces in other childcare settings, sorry pedlars, it is late, I'm going to bed too I think, I'm not explaining very well!

I think trying to get mumsnetters to do a tweet storm isn't a good idea. It's the people who live in the road whose opinion should be listened to rather than a load of mumsnetters who won't be affected by it at all

If you buy a house in a residential street, and then one of your neighbours turns their house into a business / commercial venture, then you will always get objections.
If the council are upholding the objections, then I suspect they are right. Near here, they have passed 2 things where (IMVHO) it is not safe for the 'clients' to be there, if they've turned it down, then I think there are probably very good reasons.

So mums aren't giving up. You are giving them the choice to give up because either u are closing. OR you have more kids than you have permission for. --> which would make it you responsible for the giving up.

We had a nursery apply to our street. Great idea. Until they decided they would have 4 spaces for drop offs. Staff told not to park there - so they would probably use our street then. And parents dropping off? Oh don't worry, they can just pull in and turn. ON A MAIN ROAD!!

Can you see why it was turned down.

You need separate staff parking and then I would say a car park with a 1:2 ratio. Gives space to drop off and room to turn etc.

TBH the parking sounds like a nightmare and that would annoy me .

well, we back onto the school field, and every morning and evening about 30-40 school families walk past our house.

It really doesn't bother me, nor would a nursery next door.

From your picture the road looks spacious enough, but residents would be justified in being annoyed if they couldn't park in front of their own house, or got blocked in.

Why don't you do some kind of survey/monitoring of the road at pickup/drop off times? Count how many free spaces available etc

I would hate it. We have rejected buying anywhere within shrieking distance of schools, nurseries and playgrounds. If anything like that appeared nearby I would do everything I could block it and failing that I'd move.

There used to be a nursery about 60 yards from my house, and the sound of the children playing and such didn't bother me at all, and I don't even have my own DC so I'm not used to it either! The parking situation wasn't a problem (unusual setup in that it was in a former farmhouse with a massive yard so lots of private parking at the back) and that probably helped neighbourhood relations.

I'm surprised this bothers so many people, other than for parking reasons which I can understand is a problem.

I live just up the road form a primary school, about 4 houses away and the noise issue has never bothered me. I barely notice it to be honest

What does hug me is the parking. I don't mind in the slightest the fact that parents use our street to park on while they do the school run - they pay their road tax so can park. I mind the bloody numptys that think it's ok to park over my drive or right on the junction making it impossible to get out of the street.
I mind even more when I ask the mum blocking me in if I can get out to go to work myself only to be told that she's late for pick up and can I wait ten mins....

Would Piss me right off, not the noise but the parents dropping off/picking up, only have to go by a school once a week during dropping off time but every single time I have had a near miss by some terrible parent pulling out/attempting a u turn /not looking and coming around the stupidly parked car of another parent, or the ones who decide to drag thier kids through the jammed up traffic rather than use the lights/crossing gaurd 10 feet away.

Parents do not seem to notice motorcycles exist.

Iwould not like it either because of the parking.
Experience tells me that no matter how many parking spaces are available, some drivers will always think it's acceptable to block you in as "I'll only be a couple of minutes" (10 mins later....)
On my road we have businesses and parking bays.
All day long I get blocked in and out by customers and delivery vans.
Pisses us right off.

I would hate it and would actively campaign against

The noise, the parking, the turning in the road

No quiet sunny days in my garden, no dropping off to sleep watching TV if sick

Constant noise of nursery aged children or people marshalling nursery aged children on trips

We had this issue when I opened a nursery. Parking is the biggesy annoyance.

However , it is NOT the same as a school drop off nightmare as nursery hours are longer & folks come & go at all times.

We went to appeal & won.

It would seriously annoy both me (shift worker needing to sleep in day - and children do make a noise outside!) and DH (works from home). The parking issues in addition would make me actively campaign to block it.

And PA comments about mums giving up work with little sad faces has made me completely antagonistic toward you, so yabVu for that alone.

OP, your planning permission can only be determined on legal planning grounds, not a Twitter campaign or a local newspaper story.

Genuine planning objections from your neighbours will include congestion and loss of amenity, so you will need to address these.

It personally wouldn't bother me at all, by the way, and I would prefer an 8-6 weekday nursery than a lot of other uses.

My parents lived very close to a school all my childhood. Their garden backed onto it, with a narrow path in between. We heard children playing but it was never ever a problem and as others say, we knew that in many other ways they'd be considerate neighbours.

I'd probably moan non stop about it which would be completely hypocritical as DD's childcare is based in a residential street with on street parking.

I'm with everyone who thinks it would be awful.

I imagine it would be harder to sell a house near a business in what was a residential area. Can't really understand why it was allowed in the first place.

Parking would be the main issue for me.

It would irritate me. DP and I both work shifts so there's always one of us at home during the day needing to sleep. I'm a light sleeper at the best of times so the constant noise of children and doors and cars going on all day would drive me to distraction.

I would also be pissed off if I'd bought a house in a quiet residential street and a noisy business opened up next door.

The noise of the children really wouldn't bother me. Nurseries have to be somewhere, and every school or nursery my children have attended has been on a residential street. However, as far as parking goes, I don't know your street and can't comment. I think a twitter campaign might actually get the planners backs up.

I would put more energy into speaking to the planners/seeking independent professional advice about how to resolve the issue.

Don't get why you not being able to extend means "mums" will have to give up work unless you are currently illegally over numbers?

We live 4 doors down from a nursery, the noise isn't an issue, the selfish parking can be. It's a shit nursery though.

My friend had a husband and wife childminding team living next door to her. They converted their garage (adjacent to my friends driveway) for the "playroom" and the children spent a lot of time in the garden. They appeared to have half a dozen children in the daytime with more in the holidays and after school.

The noise from the children playing was unbearable. They used to play nursery rhymes on a CD continually. The children used to tease her little boy when he was out in the garden. The cars dropping of we're a real pest. Eventually they moved to larger premises as none of the neighbours would speak to them

It would be a real problem for me.