to want Carol Voderman to keep her baps in the breadbin?

[Bogeyface]

She has a great figure, is very beautiful, has great hair (I want her hair!), is intelligent and erudite.

So why the need to squeeze her boobs so up and in that she could rest her chin on them? Just watched 8 out of 10 Cats and she was shoehorned into a top that had them practically falling out and the make up job on them was none too subtle.

Be proud of your boobs, I love mine! But dont be defined by them!

[MarmaladeBatkins]

Carol had a team of very apt mathematicians on that project.

And she seems to have become a Tory poster girl after her QT appearance...

[EldritchCleavage]

Rachel is an attractive woman so why shouldn't she wear such stuff

If she weren't attractive, would it be wrong for her to wear it?

[Binkyridesagain]

There was a thread not that long ago slating Rachel for her choice of clothes, describing what she was wearing as tarty.

Why can't women wear what they want to? why is it if a women chooses to wear something that shows cleavage or is close fitting, they must either be wanting to attract the attention of men or have been dictated to by a man?

[MarmaladeBatkins]

I was about to ask that, Eldritch, but I didn't want to nitpick.

Come on. let's not pretend that Rachel wasn't picked for how good she looks in a tight dress. She is good at maths, clearly, but there are probably hundreds more women (OR MEN!) who are just as, or more, able but aren't as photogenic.

[WorraLiberty]

Don't any of you listen to that, please. It's another convenient line spun by men to get women to turn on each other.

Like so many people on this thread have turned on Carol Vorderman?

I think women care waaay more than men about what other women choose to wear.

[MarmaladeBatkins]

"I think women care waaay more than men about what other women choose to wear."

Then you've been reeled in, Worra.

True, I think that women may be critical of what other women wear in a 'fashion sense' kind of manner i.e "Oh dear, really wouldn't have worn that dress with those shoes', kind of thing. But, if Carol Vorderman wore a highnecked, long-sleeved hopsack dress onto a panel show, I would not give a shit. The men booking her would, though.

[WorraLiberty]

No I haven't been reeled in, I just use my eyes and ears.

It's mostly women who buy gossip mags/read the gossip columns online...taking an unhealthy interest in how others choose to dress/live.

It's mostly women who jump on other women for wearing low cut tops and short skirts.

It's mostly women who'll have something catty to say about other women who get breast implants/botox fillers.

Yes I see and hear men making catty comments too but I hear waaay more negativity from other women.

All the cries of 'put them away' from women, are just as bad as 'get them out' from men.

It's all about telling women what they should and shouldn't do.

[MarmaladeBatkins]

I think that really you have to draw a distinction between the two types of 'minding' what females wear.

Like I say, I agree that women are more likely to point and laugh at bad fake tan/dresses two sizes too small etc. I've done it myself a lot but it's not because I care about what they wear. I grew up dying my hair pink/wearing cut-off wedding dresses to nightclubs. I am all for wearing what you think defines you as an individual.

But then a lot of us can see the problem with dressing for men, rather than yourself. If it's necessary for Vorderman to expose part of her breasts just to take part in a durrbrained quiz-show, why does Jimmy Carr wear a suit? Why not a muscle vest and budgie-smugglers? It's because he won't stop getting booked if he carries on dressing as he does. Why does Nick Hewer get to wear exactly the same clothes as he does on The Apprentice when he does Countdown but Rachel Riley gets to wear this? Countdown isn't even a particularly 'trendy' quiz show! A nice tea dress and heels would be sufficiently glamorous. But that's not what the men behind the show want.

[WorraLiberty]

I get exactly what you're saying Marmalade and I've said the same many times, about the inequality on that score.

But what I object to, is the women (mostly on MN) who instead of explaining their point as eloquently has you have...they just slag the woman off like a pack of wolves.

There's no need for the insults, for cries of 'put them away' or 'why does she have to get her tits out' (she didn't, she showed her cleavage) and there's certainly no need to be dismissive of her achievements and maths qualifications.

Many of the posters who went for the jugular, will no doubt be seen on other threads blaming men and the media for teenage girls/women feeling insecure about their looks.

I don't know if that's hypocrisy or irony...or a bit of both.

[MarmaladeBatkins]

I don't think it's so much being dismissive of her maths but on threads like these, it's always trotted out that she is in MENSA/a genius. I don't think it's too churlish to point out that she is pretty average in most respects, academically, other than she is extremely good at numeric recount. I am very average academically, but am very good at doing Yorkshire puddings. Why is no-one going "But Marmalade is an excellent chef"?! :(

Looking a bit deeper into this, I really believe that men like women to dress like this as it turns women against women. Women who feel that CV's look is unattainable for them will lash out and berate them for dressing in a revealing manner. I think that men enjoy that. There's a whole host of reasons that it is in the interest of men for women to dress like this.

[WorraLiberty]

Yes but you're still blaming men for women turning on other women

Women need to take responsibility and ask themselves why they feel the need to bitch about how other women choose to dress. They need to ask themselves why they're so overly interested in gossip columns and mags (if indeed they are). Perhaps ask themselves why the sight of a slim woman 2 weeks post birth often gets them so riled up. Why they feel the need to lash out at other women whose looks they feel are unattainable for them.

Whether men rather enjoy it or not, is neither here nor there.

Women just need to stop doing it. Have opinions on why women dress the way they do by all means, but for the love of god stop with the bitchy attacks.

Now I'm going to try my best to ignore this thread as I've invested far too much of my time on the Vorder woman...who actually has no affect on my life whatsoever

[WorraLiberty]

Sorry, re the 'post birth'...

I meant rather than get riled up and assume (as so many do) that the woman has worked hard to get her figure back...stop and think that actually it might have happened naturally.

It did with all 3 of my pregnancies and I can't tell you how many bitchy comments and assumptions that I 'lived at the gym' (never been to one in my life) I got from some women at the school gate.

I just think they read too many gossip mags and assumed anyone who lost baby weight, ate lettuce leaves and used personal trainers.

[hellymelly]

I think CV looks more beautiful with every passing year, and that is rather heartening to those getting close to 50 (e.g. old gimmers like me). Aghast at the comment that her bosom is old and saggy! Looks rather magnificent to me. I think she can wear what the hell she likes. (as long as she doesn't twerk against Thick-o at the same time)

[HereComesHoneyBooBooDragon]

This thread is like tit Hokey Cokey

You put your cleavage in
You put your cleavage out
In
Out
In
Out
And then we all fall out

Whoaaaah cleavage argey bargy
Whoaaaaah cleavage argey bargy
Whoaaaah cleavage argey bargy
Tits up,tits out rant rant rant

[Moistenedbint1]

To be honest, I suspect Vorderman enjoys the "male gaze" (many women do). Before her dramatic metamorphasis its possible she felt sexually invisible.. And the revealing clothing coupled with the hair extensions, implants etc now gives her the attention she long craved. I'm just not entirely convinced her risqué attire is wholly prompted by male television executives.. Possibly a combination of both. Sex does sell.. so perhaps this is her formula.. To some extent anyway.

[squoosh]

Well I for one can't stand Vorderman. She has happily advertised extortionate debt consolidation loans, she behaved like an inarticulate right wing shrew on Question Time, she 'cured' people's ailments with her line of 'detox' snake oil.

Poor Richard Whitely, having to fake his own death just to get away from her.

Also bondage dresses need to fuck off, I don't care who wears them or at what age, they look so dreadfully tacky.

[curlew]

If anybody genuinely thinks that she is on TV at 50 because of her brain, they are naive.

[MarmaladeBatkins]

"
Poor Richard Whitely, having to fake his own death just to get away from her."



And why does she have to go on about Poor Richard every few weeks? Breaking down and sobbing? I've known spouses cry less over their dead partners.

[Moistenedbint1]

Poor Richard Whitely, having to fake his own death just to get away from her.

How long will it be before we can expect Elvis style "sightings" of the hapless Mr Whitely?

[EldritchCleavage]

Oh Marmalade, Nitpick is my middle name today. Pity the trainee currently sitting quietly in the corner of the office hoping I've forgotten about her for the time being (answer: no!).

Actually, I do agree with squoosh about judging (fiercely) anyone who advertises extortionate debt consolidation loans. Or 'claims managers' aka ambulance-chasing pseudo-lawyers. Looking at you, Andrew Castle. And Carol Smiley. And many, many more supposed celebrities who are unlikely to have needed the money that badly.

[MarmaladeBatkins]

"Actually, I do agree with squoosh about judging (fiercely) anyone who advertises extortionate debt consolidation loans."

Yup.

And she can hardly claim that she didn't realise how vile they are, at 42% APR, with her marvellous maths brain.

[obviouslyneedsupernanny]

I think she looks great, and I don't thinks she dresses too young.