To be fucked off that parents not vaccinating their child is risking my childs life?

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I never judged them before. I never cared, if they chose not to vaccinate their child I always thought it was their choice and its not for me to have an opinion.
I never used to give it much more thought that that. I vaccinate mu children and what others do with theirs is none of my business.

Until I have a child who's immune system is often (but not always, steroid use) compramised. He is more likely to pick up bugs, and not deal with them very well.

He is also allergic to many things. I know tha egg allergy isnt usually an issue, but the MMR is cultivated on egg albumin. He is allergic to egg (anaphylactic) chicken meat, and feathers. The whole caboodle. Im pretty sure his tiny body wont like egg albumin either.

He's due to have this vaccine very very soon in hospital and Im absolutely shitting myself. Every time I remember it my stomach drops and my heart races.

Im genuinely thinking, what if he dies?

I cant get the vaccines done individually because the private clinics wont touch me with a barge pole.

I cant risk leaving it (Ive left it 18 months so far) because the area I live in has a very low MMR rate.

And that really, really angers me. Probably irrationally so.

I should be able to leave it. My son should be protected by societies use of the MMR.

Instead I either have to risk him getting an illness, or risk giving him this injection.

As if he hasnt been enough already.

I know IABU, but I just feel very resentful and angry towards those who choose not to vaccine right now.

More than prepared to be flamed for this.

"By allowing parents to make a reasoned choice, based on their child. I was heckled by DH and a group of mothers into having DS vaccinated."

I think the words "reasoned choice" are important. I don't believe that most parents have the education to make a reasoned choice. We need research to prehaps see if all the children whose parents believe that they were vaccined damaged share a common gene/ genes. I believe that autism is genetic and prehaps some children have a predisposition to developing autism just like some people have a genetic predisposition to developing schisoprenha or bipolar. We could compare the rates of autism in unvacinated sibblings and vacinated sibblings and look at differences in DNA.

I believe everyone has a right to choose for their child, I do but in this country we are in a extremely privileged position. We can practically eradicate such diseases and protect the weakened among us and that is a hugely privileged choice to have,
And herd immunity is important.
My ds1 was born at 26 weeks and reacted very badly to his initial injections, was hospitalised and it was touch and go for a while. His body struggled to cope and of course I felt horribly guilty but did it stop me giving him the next lot no it didn't, because of everyone's sake not least of all his I feel it has to be done.
He has had all vaccinations under specialised hospital care including the mmr.
I sympathise op. Have you spoken to the hospital about measures to keep your son safe?

OP I was sent an e-mail yesterday from my sons allergy consultant about egg allergies and MMR, would you like me to copy and paste to you. It would be really relevant to your dilemma. He runs a private practice although only in the London/ Surrey areas.

ReallyTired. Rubella is not usually 'really nasty' for children - the reason we vaccinate against it is because it can cause problems for non-immune pregnant women. So if you're balancing the risks of vaccination then the risk to your child from rubella is very very small.

You can't bumble mummy and that's life I'm afraid. There is a reason that people with immuno suppressed children are more afraid of everyday illnesses and that is because they are more common and most people have the MMR but if the take up rate declines and we have a situation like Wales then those children will be the first to succumb surely

there was a documentary about vaccination on BBC4 the other night. Should be required watching for all anti-vaccinators who are too young to have seen a case of smallpox.

no-one will ever get smallpox again. We should all turn somersaults each morning to celebrate. Now, how did that come about?

Hi OP. I'm really sorry to hear of your child's health issues, allergies are very scary and steroid side effects suck.

My eldest child was allergic to many things when she was young (at one point she only had about seven foods that were safe for her) and had to be on a strict elimination diet for years. She struggled to put on weight and was very ill with asthma and eczema for a long time. She also had various other immune system related issues and for a while we were very afraid as our doctor told us that a bad case of flu or gastric illness could kill her.

She is ten years old now and in much better health and rarely has to use steroids. I hope your son's health improves as he gets older - it does happen. Anecdotally, my daughter's allergies improved dramatically after a bout of chicken pox, and when I spoke to our allergist about this, she said that she had often heard similar stories of a child improving in a similar way to mine (we were actually asked to participate in a study on the subject).

My daughter got sick following her pertussis vaccination and she also reacted at the time of injection - there is no doubt in our doctors mind about what happened to her.

I understand your fears for your son - I have similar ones for my daughter. However, I have not and will not vaccinate her younger sister with MMR.

I think it is appalling that you are not being offered single vaccines for your son and like other posters, I really encourage you to really pressure your doctor/hospital into doing that for you.

Good luck and best wishes.

Also just wanted to say to SunshineMum. Sorry to hear about what has happened to your child and the lack of care for gut issues. I hate seeing posters like you told that they don't know what happened to their own child. I get it too sometimes and it is adding insult to injury. Hugs x

With that attitude and nasty, sweary title OP, you sound the unreasonable one. How about a bit of thought for parents who have thought this through and do not want their babies vaccinated for their own good reasons.

Yanbu

I think vaccinations should be compulsory except where there are medical issues confirmed by a professional

this is interesting

I think TB us harder to treat due to certain strains becoming resistant to ABs.

TB is on the rise as the BCG is not routinely given in all schools now and it has been brought over from countries not as fortunate as us with our immunisation program.

YANBU. Many are relying on herd immunity and the fact that most parents do vaccinate. If nobody vaccinated and the diseases came back I doubt many would be as laid back about it.

Surely more people have died/become severely ill as a result of contracting measles as opposed to receiving MMR

That's almost certainly true, however doesn't make anyone feel better when it's their child who is the 1/1,000,000 who damn near dies because of it (or any other routine vax for that matter).

No that is true but as I said sadly thats life its all about risk and balance of probability

You're missing the point 2tired. I am we'll aware that (currently) we have no way of identifying at-risk children. My point is that, if that is the case, making sweeping statements like 'vaccinate all healthy children' is ridiculous because you don't actually know which ones are 'healthy'. Ie which ones will not react badly.

Special subject - it wasn't entirely due to vaccination if that's what you're trying to suggest.

How about a bit of thought for parents who have thought this through and do not want their babies vaccinated for their own good reasons.

That's exactly who she is thinking of - people like herself who have good reasons to not want to vaccinate their children.

No, TB is on the rise because the vaccine does not offer adequate protection against pulmonary TB. The reason it is being given in 'high risk' areas is because it provides some protection for TB meningitis in children.

If you're the expert bumbly why ask the question? I stand by what I said, all currently 'healthy' children should be vax'd , i dont however advocate forced vaccinations just hope the majority would decide to take it up

I decided against MMR when my DS was small but a decade later and I've changed my mind. The nurse at our surgery refused to immunise because I no longer have his little red book. She was totally flustered at having to deal with anyone other than a baby and basically said 'go away, can't help you'.

Which question are you talking about? I'm not claiming to be an expert. Just wondering what information people are basing their opinions on.

I never had any of the childhood immunisations, apart from Polio which back then was given on a sugar cube . I never had my BCG against TB either . I only got my anti Rubella jab after Id given birth to my firstborn . I have had tetanus jab as an adult ....

I have never (touches wood) had Whooping cough, Diptheria or TB .

I do feel for the OP in one way but by the same token it is rather hypocritical that you think parents who do not vaccinate are putting your child at risk .. . Some parents are probably scared shitless after the links to autism caused by the MMR ... They too have their choice.