David Icke

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Hi

I saw a message was posted on here a couple of years ago: should we be scared of David Icke? by AustralianBarny. I think we should be very wary. Icke's now starting a global TV/radio show, called 'The People's Voice'. He says a lot of people are just computer software (no souls). He calls thinking for yourself 'robotic' - ie using the left brain - logic, reason, analysis (see the trick there?!) He also divides people up into Lions and Wolves (his followers and himself) and Sheep (everybody else). The Nazis did this (google it). It's well-known that 'New' Age philosophies are basically Nazi philosophies re-vamped. And this includes Icke's: 'Some people are evolving, some aren't'/ 'Raising the kundalini'/ 'opening the third eye'/ connecting to 'the force'. A lot of this is aimed at the young. The 'New' Age also spends a lot of time telling you the Nazis were really 'love in action' and that 'death is a wonderful thing.' Imo, it's the inversion of the pentagram. Orwellian: Freedom is Slavery, etc. (Evil is Love). Luciferianism. Getting chucked out of Eden was a 'blessing', according to the 'New' Age.

If you DO 'raise the kundalini'/'open your third eye', it's known the consequences can mimic those of paranoid schizophrenia - ie you hear voices telling you people 'have to die'. Read some 'New' Age luminaries - Hubbard, Spangler, etc. And Icke's earlier works. These 'voices' never tell you to just love people. It's always: 'a lot of people have to die.'

Basically: if you have teenagers/friends who start getting into this stuff, I'd keep an eye on them. Mention its downside, etc. Icke, imo, is NOT just a 'harmless nutter'. This ridicule's meant a lot of people don't look too closely into what he's actually SAYING. And he now has a lot of followers worldwide.

I've been opening my third eye for years and never once has it made me want to go around killing people.
I guess it could effect different people in different ways though.

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Hi again

I can see why Mumsnet has such an appalling - and well-deserved - reputation. Not just this thread - I'd guess it's most/all of them. The only site almost entirely populated by trolls(!)

You seem to think people loathe this site because you're 'straightspoken' or 'not fluffy'. Stop kidding yourselves. It's because your replies show no wit; no wisdom; no compassion or maturity or understanding - just bitching and bullying. Which most adults despise.

This site is too toxic for anyone with any kindness and generosity. I'm done with it.

Whatever you're teaching your kids, I hope it's not what you practise here!

To put it another way - only snakes like the snakepit.

It's beyond belief that adults can behave like this and think it's OK.

Always better to behave with kindness and decency.

I'm not 100% sure what you wanted from this thread?
People agreed that yes, he's coming out with batty stuff.
What did you want MN to say?
Calling the entirety of posters snakes and trolls is also a bit ; you've been a member for 2 years? You can always use search to look at the many previous mentions of DI to get an idea of how he's viewed by other posters...

If you start a thread about David Icke you can hardly expect serious replies.

What was all that about?? We were answering your points, well the ones that made sense anyway, do you not like people debating with you?
What you did in your last OP is very common in serious conspiracy theorists, when people say something you don't like, you throw a tantrum, call names and flounce off..

Do YOU use the word 'sheeple'??

Wtf is 'sheeple' is it one of those things i really shouldnt google?

OP, it is almost funny that you find the replies here 'beyond belief' whilst you bang on about inverted pentagrams apparently without irony.

Well, when I say almost funny I actually mean dull.

OP you're talking shit. I've read a lot of David Icke because my Mum used to be active in the Green party at the time he was in it and we've kept an eye on him since out of bewildered interest. He doesn't deny the holocaust, he isn't a nazi, he doesn't say anything like the nazis' are 'love in action'

He says all kinds of colourful stuff but there's no harm in him. If you believed everything he said it would certainly make you feel paranoid, but that wouldn't make you a paranoid schizophrenic

It's a mix of people and sheep, mindless drone types...

madmomma DI might not deny the holocaust but there are certainly an awful lot of people on the forums that do and that doesn't reflect well on him.

This site is too toxic for anyone with any kindness and generosity. I'm done with it.
I'll bet you will be back soon.

I think sheeple is a mint word. Rolls off the tongue lovely

"The only ones who seems to talk about the chemtrail thing are the the same ones who use the word 'sheeple' and therefore lose all rights to be taken seriously...
In all seriousness, even the chemtrail theory isn't taken seriously by most conspiracy theorists.."

"Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials"

"One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalsciencet

Thank you for the heads up about the new TV station OP. I shall tune in on Nov 18 to see what it is all about.

Yes, Icke talks a lot of nonsense, but he also speaks some truth.

Certainly, his early work did have influences from the elitist New Age theosophical movement with its belief in ascended masters etc, and people like Madame Blavatsky were widely read throughout Europe in the early part of last century, and Hitler did take on some of the Aryan nonsense from people like her. His early work was also partially influenced by the New Age Alice bailey's Lucis Trust, which is on the roster of the United Nations Economic and Social Council. All of this influence by elitist New Age groups have made many people ask if Icke is in fact New World Order.

But, most people are clever enough to sort the wheat from the chaff.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry."

....

"While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

It's well-known that 'New' Age philosophies are basically Nazi philosophies re-vamped.

This is total crap.

dobbiesmum he has repeatedly spoken out about the nasty weirdos who try to affiliate themselves with him through his forums. A lot of the Christian right try to joinhim too, and he loathes much of what they stand for. People spout shit on every forum known to man.

Yes, that is crap. there are lots of good New Age theories based on ancient wisdom and understanding.

However, there are also some very elitist ones that are backed by powerful people and which are not in the interests of ordinary people.

Claig - or even decide it's all chaff, as the occasion five.

Fits, not five, hells bells.

I think the OP is a religipus believer and there is a conspiracy theory that Icke is in fact New World order and that he pushes an underlying message based on the elitist theosophical, Lucis trust stle New Age thinking.

As madmomma rightly says "A lot of the Christian right try to join him too, and he loathes much of what they stand for" and it is for that reason and the fact that he has written books and spoken about things which are similar in some ways to elitist New Age movements which makes some people think that his purpose is to spread elitist New Age thinking in order to aid his New World Order powerful backers. That is possibly what the OP thinks.

This is from the web site of the Lucis Trust, of which Alice Bailey was a leading light and on which some of Icke's early thinking (and maybe even current thinking, I don't know) was based

"There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer."

www.lucistrust.org/en/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/the_esoteric_meaning_of_lucifer

And they say

"Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light."

And of course illuminati comes from the same root and ties back to the New World Order.

It's well-known that 'New' Age philosophies are basically Nazi philosophies re-vamped.

Utter nonsense. New-Age type philosophies in various places and under various names go back long before Hitler was born.

claig is right to mention the military tests during the cold war 50 years ago. Arguably, they were justified at the time to evaluate the potential of a germ warfare attack by the USSR.

They are not any sort of proof that 'chemtrails' are used now to administer drugs to whole populations, even if it were ever physically possible to do so. Conspiracy theorists will have to look elsewhere to justify their weird beliefs.

'Fits, not five, hells bells.'

ohmymimi, please do not bring Hell or anything to do with Lucifer into this or the OP will not be at all pleased! She has had enough of Icke, she doesn't need all that as well!

Why bother posting if you don't like the site OP?

It's a bit like me going on ARRSE to discuss feminism.