to think this is very disruptive??

[macdoodle]

I probably am being unreasonable and am prepared to hear it.
My DD1 has just started secondary school, she is in the "more able class" (this is what its called by the school ).
In this class, of about 20 odd, there is a boy with SN. He has an assistant for every lesson, and from what my DD tells me I guess he must have some form of autism.
But every single day, she is coming home with stories of what "X" has done. Thinks like having tantrum, which takes 20mins to calm down disrupting the lesson, shouting at the teacher, grabbing or hitting another child (and once a teacher), throwing all his books and stuff on the floor (numerous occasions), storming out of lessons etc etc.
Now the kids all seem to think this is hysterical (and great fun that almost every lesson is disrupted by "X"), but every day I am a bit , it just sounds very disruptive, and DD is starting to sound more annoyed than thinking its funny.
She does however say that is is clearly very bright indeed.
I know he has just as much right to be taught, but at the cost of disrupting a whole class of children? AIBU?? I can't quite decide TBH, and so far it doesnt appear to be affecting DD1's abilities, but we are only a term in.

Whistleblower - for your information if a child is permanently excluded from a mainstream school they are simply sent straight (well within six weeks) to another mainstream school with no additional support.

I think the point, holey, is that in the correct environment they won't have the meltdowns

What roles would be suitable for someone who has frequent meltdowns?

This alone illustrates that you are either not reading the thread or not listening to what people are saying.

I can't take it. Honestly. I do not understand how this is so complicated. I just don't.

Me neither, Triggles.

These people would have had Einstein excluded.

Indeed, but what environment would be suitable and would allow someone as academically bright as the teen in question to use those academic skills?

Tag. Someone else can be "it" for awhile. I can't cope with this. It's beyond ridiculous.

A place in a unit attached to mainstream? Better and more specifically qualified TAs? Better teacher training with regard to additional needs?

So many things could be done but usually aren't because as Whistle says most people really don't care about children with additional needs because all those NT children are so much more important.

I can feel my sarcasm rising.

Einstein worked in a patent office, as a lecturer and academic.

He did not have regular meltdowns.

That's how I felt yesterday, Triggles. So I disengaged for a few hours and went and killed stuff in a game instead. It helped.

He did as a child, Holey.

Actually he was well known for his angry outbursts as an adult.

Thank you oink, I've sent an email to my MP based on your template.

Can you point towards any evidence of Einstein having regular meltdowns? He did well in school.

It was on a documentary I watched years ago. I can't remember which channel.

If it's "I before E except after C", how come Einstein got it wrong twice?

Maybe because i before e is outdated and no longer taught in schools and also the fact that he was German?

Youthecat - Doesnt really matter in terms of the argument, but the only time I have read about Einstein having melt downs, is in blogs/sites about anger management and autism. I am not syaing he didn't, I don't know for sure. But the biographical stuff I have read said he did really well at school, but got impatient at the rote learning that was a large feature of schooling then.

At a time when strict obedience was expected, impatience may really have been very little in the context of today's views about appropriate behaviour amongst children.

Whistle that would not be my concern is the very opposite of having empathy. I do not think the needs of one outweigh the needs of the majority, but I also don't believe that the rights the many outweigh the rights of those who are vulnerable and need support.

As zzzzz said earlier most of us with children with disabilities also have children who are nt, as families we have to balance the needs of all of our children. I hope that at my children's school the same attitude of a family that includes and supports all it's members is modelled amongst the children. My dd's understand that their are children who struggle more, and need more help and support, they are 6 and 7 and seem to already have a damn sight more empathy than some on this thread.

This thread is beyond depressing.

It confirms all my worst suspicions about how wilfully selfish and unpleasant some people can be.

People have no empathy and see children with SN as 'other', not like real children.
It's grim. 'this is my child' isn't touching the sides.

No I don't think it is Pag - unfortunately

I had really hoped people would point out that there are jobs that are suitable for people who have SN manifesting in meltdowns and violent behaviour, but are academically bright.

With the right support, those children who are academically able, can begin to manage their behaviour. So those children could well grow up to have job that they want.

With the wrong/no support then that is less likely.

Fair enough youthecat