to think this is very disruptive??

[macdoodle]

I probably am being unreasonable and am prepared to hear it.
My DD1 has just started secondary school, she is in the "more able class" (this is what its called by the school ).
In this class, of about 20 odd, there is a boy with SN. He has an assistant for every lesson, and from what my DD tells me I guess he must have some form of autism.
But every single day, she is coming home with stories of what "X" has done. Thinks like having tantrum, which takes 20mins to calm down disrupting the lesson, shouting at the teacher, grabbing or hitting another child (and once a teacher), throwing all his books and stuff on the floor (numerous occasions), storming out of lessons etc etc.
Now the kids all seem to think this is hysterical (and great fun that almost every lesson is disrupted by "X"), but every day I am a bit , it just sounds very disruptive, and DD is starting to sound more annoyed than thinking its funny.
She does however say that is is clearly very bright indeed.
I know he has just as much right to be taught, but at the cost of disrupting a whole class of children? AIBU?? I can't quite decide TBH, and so far it doesnt appear to be affecting DD1's abilities, but we are only a term in.

leftover and wine are two words that definitely don't go together :)
was lurking (not very silently in real life!) until now!

Let's all work to get the support in schools that ALL children need x

Zzzz - no 6 year olds hearing those words on a daily basis is unacceptable, and then repeating them as six year olds do will be deemed unacceptable. I was not implying the behaviour of the child unacceptable. Only the impact on the other children.

For instance many secondary schools have specialist units attached.

There are no secondary schools in our entire county with a specialist ASD unit. They are proposing setting one up, but that option doesn't currently exist.

You clearly haven't read the thread, WhistleBlower as there have been many posts from people saying that there is no specialist provision in their area suitable for their bright child with ASD.

You don't think that a reasonably intelligent 6yo could understand (when explained in basic terms) that a classmate has a medical condition that sometimes causes him to say things he cannot control and does not mean? You don't think a 6yo could understand not to repeat those words? DS1's mixed class of Yr1 & Yr2 students understood it pretty well when he was in MS.

Polly maybe it's a good chance to talk to your Ds about swearing, maybe hearing it all on a daily basis will mean they all get bored of the naughty word giggles quicker. Some child brought 'fuck' into my 4yr olds class last week, it will happen - child with Tourettes or not.
I don't get how you know so much about this boy and what goes on in class?

I think your daughter is learning a fantastic lesson in her class actually. That is that nobody however 'different' they are should be shut out or marginalised from society. From what you are saying OP the other children accept him totally as one of them. Children have an amazing capacity for this and it is wonderful to see. I have been moved to tears watching a programme about children with Tourettes and another called 'My beautiful face' where children had facial disfigurements and their peers treated them totally as 'just one of them', total acceptance and very protective of them against anyone who stared or objected to their presence in any way. Sadly and shamefully this was usually adults.

Finally oink - I agree with you entirely. What confuses me are the posts that seem to think this level of disruption is entirely reasonable which it is not. The right schooling should be available for all concerned for the most part that's mainstream, but if it is highly disruptive I don't see how people can argue that is fair on any of the kids

Polly what you don't seem to understand, and people have been repeating this over and over throughout the thread, is that ....

1. when a child with disabilities is being disruptive in class, it's highly likely that they need more support than they are getting. It's also highly likely that the LA is not going to be willing to pay for it. The parents probably fought tooth and nail to get what little support is already in place.

1. if that child gets further support (which is highly Unlikely), if they still cannot cope and perhaps need to move to a specialised environment, the LA STILL is not willing to pay for it. The parents then spend time (sometimes YEARS) and money (LOADS) fighting the LA to get their child into an appropriate setting.

It's not just a matter of the LA snapping their fingers and saying "oh, yeah, sure we'll pop them into the local SS, as obviously they are not coping." Even on the rare occasion the LA is willing to fund it, there might not be places available in a nearby suitable specialised school

oinkglitter what did you say to your mp when you emailed them?

My brain has fried from staying at home and I would appreciate some help with wording a similar email to my mp. And I probably need help so I don't sound like an utter twat if I'm honest!

So here's how my 6yo understands it. Some children find Numeracy easy. Some find it hard and have more learning to do. DS1 finds it easy to behave and to do and say the right thing. Child X in his class finds it harder and has more learning to do about it.

It's not difficult to explain to a 6 year old. DS1's education and wellbeing have been waaaay more disrupted by one particular boy in his class who is particularly unkind to others than the boy with EBD.

For all those who think children with SN should be removed (to where?) if disruptive
what do you think should happen to disruptive NT children, and there are plenty because they too can get overwhelmed, have crap home lives, little sleep - lots of reasons
Is there a group of elite, perfect children who could have a pretty school all of their own

All aboard for the bus to Stepford.....

My 9yo Disapproves of the swearing that many of the NT boys in his class indulge in (the girls are few and, without exception, really lovely!)

Pagwatch Wed 16-Oct-13 19:55:55

Good post Pag.

Erm. I hope the Stepford comment wasn't aimed at me Trigglesx .

Because DS2 is the boy the other parents step away from. DS1 does find it easy to do and say the right thing and is aware of how frigging lucky he is because his brother isn't. I think DS1 has a pretty fucking good, non judgemental understanding of the situation.

When my dd was 6 she knew not to swear - she might ask if a word was a bad one and if told yes she wouldn't use it. Of course she's 18 now and swears like a sailor but oh well.

I know a looked after child, who has additional needs, who was hounded out of his primary by disgruntled parents. As if the poor sod hasn't enough to deal with already. It made me very angry but there was bugger all I could do at the time as I only heard about it after it had happened.

I have known plenty of NT 6 year olds who use the word 'cunt'. In fact I knew a 4 year old who did. I can't say it concerned me greatly.

And as for you strange people with your leftover wine... that is just wrong.

I think it was just me with the leftover wine. I feel too nauseous to keep it down I've tried

I can see why the op never returned to this thread! All i ever wanted to say, is that one child whatever their particular circumstances or needs may be, does not have the right to disrupt lessons on a regular basis to the detriment of the majority of children.
I will contnue to say that, and there are many more like me out there who think the same.

Roadwalker that is so true.
At primary school I sat next to a boy with autism for several years. He rocked back and forwards most of the day, got cheered by the rest of us as another little wooden chair bit the dust.
Did it affect my education or distract me? of course not, that's just the way it was.
What was awful and disruptive was the bullying by the 'normal' kids.

In my Ds class there are two children with disabilities - one boy with quite severe autism. Children get lamped every day, never by these children.
And even then there's a reason for the aggression.

I do not mean to be dismissive of children with disabilities who are actually struggling or to say that all is just fine and dandy. Just that these threads where a pantomime villain child with SNs enters stage left to create havoc on a group of innocents doesn't fit any reality I've known.

That, along with the lack of compassion shown to the disabled child - that they are a child, that they exist in a much bigger picture than the set of distracting behaviours outlined, is what angers me.

Maybe i didn't make myself clear. no child be they nt, sen, sn, whatever label you want to use has the right to adversely affect the education of others.