to think this is very disruptive??

[macdoodle]

I probably am being unreasonable and am prepared to hear it.
My DD1 has just started secondary school, she is in the "more able class" (this is what its called by the school ).
In this class, of about 20 odd, there is a boy with SN. He has an assistant for every lesson, and from what my DD tells me I guess he must have some form of autism.
But every single day, she is coming home with stories of what "X" has done. Thinks like having tantrum, which takes 20mins to calm down disrupting the lesson, shouting at the teacher, grabbing or hitting another child (and once a teacher), throwing all his books and stuff on the floor (numerous occasions), storming out of lessons etc etc.
Now the kids all seem to think this is hysterical (and great fun that almost every lesson is disrupted by "X"), but every day I am a bit , it just sounds very disruptive, and DD is starting to sound more annoyed than thinking its funny.
She does however say that is is clearly very bright indeed.
I know he has just as much right to be taught, but at the cost of disrupting a whole class of children? AIBU?? I can't quite decide TBH, and so far it doesnt appear to be affecting DD1's abilities, but we are only a term in.

They dont need to be quaking in their seats. They have every right to be taught in a safe enviroment by a teacher who is able to teach, not act as social worker for a child who obviously isin't suited to a classroom enviroment.

And those children with additional needs have every right to an education.

You still haven't answered my question and I believe that is because you can't. I believe you can offer nothing.

Yep, where?

'Obviously isn't suited'?

But if there are aspects that could very easily be changed to make the environment more suitable for the child, they must be.

DS was that child, six years ago. The change to secondary was a bugger.

He's currently looking at university entry and bending my ear about the unattainable girl in art lessons, but there you go so I defy you to say he was totally unsuited to a classroom environment.

Yes +++ but while I do agree that people should be way more accepting of my boy's autism and learning difficulties, it is not right for me to expect a whole cinema audience to put up with him screeching so loudly that they cant hear the film.

This is a sensible post acknowledging the others point of view. It can also be related to the classroom. On this thread, I think the extreme anger and words used by both "sides" alienate each other and provoke the other "side" to retaliate in a vicious cycle.

I think that there are a few really ignorant people who will never acknowledge the difficulties faced by parents of DC with sn, or accept that nt children have the right to a relatively undisturbed education, but I think there are a lot more people who would be more conciliatory and agree that there are valid points to made by the opposing "sides", if they didn't feel goaded by extreme views. It is definitely a vicious cycle.

Some understanding of each others positions would go a long way to working together to try and understand why things are as they are. At one point, this thread was good. It was agreed by many, that inclusion is great for some, and not so great for others. It was agreed that proper support is needed to facilitate this. It was also agreed that there is a need for more special schools for children whose parents felt would flourish, in that environment.

The thread goes from calming down and an intelligent discussion to then degenerating into a bunfight again. I know it's hard as high emotion is involved, but let's try to ignore the goady posters and see that the majority here can see that you don't need to take sides. Everybody should feel free to rant about the impact and injustice to their own child as long as you also acknowledge that everybody has this right. No one is right and no one is wrong. The real problem is getting enough resources in place, to solve the problem, so everybody gets the education they deserve.

It's such a shame that this topic can't be discussed without insults flying around in all directions.

It's very simple you the cat. If children with sn or sen cannot be accomidated in mainstream school, then they should be educated in schools that are more in tune with their needs.
For instance many secondary schools have specialist units attached. Many students will be able to manage to attand some mainstream lessons with varying amounts of success, but some will need to be taught exclusively in the unit or specialist centre.
I am thinking larticulary of children with behavioural and emotional problems.

There is nothing obvious about whether or not he is suited to this particular environment. We (and the OP) do not know the full story, what is being done to help, what will work, what won't.

The boy has an assistant so it's hardly as if the teacher is expected to abandon all and devote herself to him.

And how exactly, does an attempt to meet his needs, turn her into a 'social worker'?

But whistleblower the provision for children who will not thrive in mainstream is just not there (as so many on this thread have pointed out).

Omg! Why didn't I think of that? Because, of course, there are just tonnes of places in special schools and in MS with units attached! Wow!

Have another, Cat.

I think I'm going to need that.

She is a teacher, and is therefore there to teach. Sadly a lot of teacher friends tell me that they resent having to spend their lesson time doing anything but..

Yes, but where are all these specialist places?

Lionhart, i agree that there are not enough. That is a problem.

Instead of reacting like that to whistleblower explain again, calmly why she's wrong and there isn't the provision around. She isn't coming from an unsupportive stance but an uneducated one. I know you are sick of explaining over and over again, but it is education that is needed, not sarcasm.

But teaching has always involved a lot of skills aside from teaching ....

I might have to join you, Cat.

If children with sn or sen cannot be accomidated in mainstream school, then they should be educated in schools that are more in tune with their needs.

Honestly, you think it's that easy?? Did you even read my earlier post about fighting the LA to get my DS into SS?

She said she had read the thread so I thought it unnecessary.

It isn't just the fight for the special school placement. It's the fight to even be heard with regards to getting a statement. You can't get a specialist placement without a statement to start with but many LA won't even look at statementing apart from in the most severe cases.

Whistleblower has said that the boy isn't having his needs met. She hasn't been unsympathetic but she is getting an argument. If you'd responded to her posts in a different tone, it would be a discussion not antagonistic.

Her first post was antagonistic and so have subsequent posts been.

It is a BIG problem, whistleblower. But it may well be, that given time, and patience and sensitivity and effort (all the things that make a brilliant teacher), this boy will settle in and do well.

That last one was directed to a few posters by the way.

I'm sorry but I feel like I have been banging my head off a brick wall.

So many of the 'all right Jack' attitudes on this thread. And please don't tell me how I should post. I'm not making any personal attacks. I'm just pissed off with some posters attitudes.