to think this is very disruptive??

[macdoodle]

I probably am being unreasonable and am prepared to hear it.
My DD1 has just started secondary school, she is in the "more able class" (this is what its called by the school ).
In this class, of about 20 odd, there is a boy with SN. He has an assistant for every lesson, and from what my DD tells me I guess he must have some form of autism.
But every single day, she is coming home with stories of what "X" has done. Thinks like having tantrum, which takes 20mins to calm down disrupting the lesson, shouting at the teacher, grabbing or hitting another child (and once a teacher), throwing all his books and stuff on the floor (numerous occasions), storming out of lessons etc etc.
Now the kids all seem to think this is hysterical (and great fun that almost every lesson is disrupted by "X"), but every day I am a bit , it just sounds very disruptive, and DD is starting to sound more annoyed than thinking its funny.
She does however say that is is clearly very bright indeed.
I know he has just as much right to be taught, but at the cost of disrupting a whole class of children? AIBU?? I can't quite decide TBH, and so far it doesnt appear to be affecting DD1's abilities, but we are only a term in.

DSM isn't used for dx in the UK, so if the people were dxed using DSM then they can't have been dxed here.

They tend to use the WHO classification, but not always. I was diagnosed using the DSM, my daughter was diagnosed using the ICD. Same hospital, different departments.

What I meant when I said they both use the DSM was that they both have pretty much the same understanding of what constitutes autism. Unlike some other countries who still believe it's a psychological illness caused by childhood influences.

Just read through most of this thread and i'm astounded. Of course yanbu op. This sort of thing happens more and more in our schools

Teachers are spending more of their time trying to sort out this disruptive behaviour from a minority of students, or sometimes just the one child,

while the rest of the class suffer as valuable teaching time is wasted.

Oh ffs

Cat.

Really whistleblower did you read any of them thread?

I'm not convinced.

I'd love to know what Whistleblower thinks we should do with all our children with additional needs.

Thanks for the , Lionheart.

Yes. Most of it. Interestingly, i have just asked my year 8 daughter what she though of th op's post.
She said that this senario wouldn't happen in her form / school as it would be deemed highly disruptive to the rest of the students.

In years 5 and 6 of primary there was a child like this who constantly disrupted lessons, was violent and nasty to the other children, especially the girls for some reason.

She was very glad to leave all that behind.
The boy went on to a different high school to my dd. i was relieved.

You are very welcome, Cat.

Sometimes a FFS is the only response and this one was so heartfelt that it was very satisfying indeed!

But that doesn't offer any solution to those of us with children with additional needs. And it shows you have no empathy whatsoever.

I thought we were trying to move this thread beyond purely self-centred responses and into a discussion that, at least tried, to take in the wider issues. That may have been what you missed, WB.

Empathy can only go so far i"m afraid! Lots of children with addittional needs thrive in mainstream school, but lots dont either.
I'm afraid that one child, whatever their needs are do not trump the rights of the majority whose learning is being constantly disrupted, as seems to be the case with this senario.

I don't really get the 'wouldn't happen' part. Does your DD go to a school where the inclusion has been perfected and/or resourced to such an extent that such that disruption never occurs?

My husband was the disruptive autistic child at primary school. Other parents campaigned to have him excluded. At secondary school he had a teacher who knew how to connect with him. Now he's a chemistry professor at a top university.

Don't give up hope parents of children with SENs.

So where should our children go if the likes of you and your dd don't want them in your schools?

^i have just asked my year 8 daughter what she though of th op's post.
She said that this senario wouldn't happen in her form / school as it would be deemed highly disruptive to the rest of the students^

What a load of rot.

But in this case the boy has just made a big transition to secondary and we are only a few weeks into the term. The teaching staff (best case) are probably trying to find out what works best for him during what is a stressful time for everyone (including NT children).

I think that a converstaion with the other children about their responses is in order, at the very least and within the bounds of confidentiality.

And, as so many posters have pointed out, the provision when it comes to inclusion, to units attached to mainstream schools and to special schools is so woeful, it is criminal. That is what we need to change.

I know someone who works with a lad with autism in a main stream primary school, she wasn't initialyl earmarked to be his support worker but it somehow ended up that way as she was the only one that could 'do anything with him'. Anyway, the official bods came for an assesment at the beginning of the new term to see how everything was going. Apparently they were very impressed with how the boy was responding BUT stated the amount of work going into it was not appropriate for a main stream school, it was too disruptive for the other children and effectively he wasn't benefiting from being in a mainstream school as he wasn't really experiencing being a part of it. if he couldn't cope with less input he'd have to leave.
However, after a couple of weeks of horror, he's really turned a corner and is joining in much more with the whole school experience and it looks like he'll get to stay.

It doesn't sound like this situation is ideal for anyone. The boy is not having his needs met, and the rest of the pupils aren't either.
If it was me, i would. be asking the school what they were doing to keep my child safe?
In real life, or at least the one i inhabit, that's what the vast majority of parents i know would be doing as well.

The op said the child was hitting out at another child, and the teacher no?
I would say that this is not a safe enviroment.

You still haven't said what you'd do about it though. Where should he go?

It's okay.

I realise what the problem is now. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and therefore can make no comment.