to think this is very disruptive??

[macdoodle]

I probably am being unreasonable and am prepared to hear it.
My DD1 has just started secondary school, she is in the "more able class" (this is what its called by the school ).
In this class, of about 20 odd, there is a boy with SN. He has an assistant for every lesson, and from what my DD tells me I guess he must have some form of autism.
But every single day, she is coming home with stories of what "X" has done. Thinks like having tantrum, which takes 20mins to calm down disrupting the lesson, shouting at the teacher, grabbing or hitting another child (and once a teacher), throwing all his books and stuff on the floor (numerous occasions), storming out of lessons etc etc.
Now the kids all seem to think this is hysterical (and great fun that almost every lesson is disrupted by "X"), but every day I am a bit , it just sounds very disruptive, and DD is starting to sound more annoyed than thinking its funny.
She does however say that is is clearly very bright indeed.
I know he has just as much right to be taught, but at the cost of disrupting a whole class of children? AIBU?? I can't quite decide TBH, and so far it doesnt appear to be affecting DD1's abilities, but we are only a term in.

How delightful that a poster who purports to be anti-violence would 'go after' an 11 year old child with additional needs, who is clearly struggling with mainstream.

And what would the lovely Bordello suggest? Does she think that parents of children with additional needs get very much say in where they go to school? Does she think that specialist places grow on fucking trees?

How very illuminating. You clearly know so much better than any of us because your dh works with an autistic person once a week.

Nugget.

Rawshark..there were only a few posts personally attacking the OP and tbey were deleted.

I really hate the "posters with children with SN are so bitter" line, it's so tiresome.

And we're all raging liberal bleeding hearts as well, apparently. Just because we don't think an 11 year old should be 'gone after'.

Very very well written oink glitter great post x

I would hope that no one thinks that it's acceptable for children or staff to be subjected to physical violence from any child, SN or NT.

If there is violent behaviour that is not being managed then parents have every right to complain to the school and ask that their fears are addressed. It doesn't mean that they lack empathy for a child exhibiting this behaviour but that they have perfectly rational fears for the safety of their children and the school must address this. Allowing such behaviour to continue is unacceptable.

It is as frightening to the "violent" child as it is to the others. Better strategies need to be put in place so that every child feels safe in school.

I think actually posters with children with SN have superhuman restraint as they have to read toss like that spouted by Bordellos and not use PAs

No one said it was all good. But saying you'd 'go after' an 11 year old just shows the sort of person you are.

Rawshark, plenty of people with children with additional needs do fight about the issue of schools and places every single day. It shouldn't have to be this hard and it gets a bit wearing with attitudes like Bordello's and the OP's.

No it's not all good, for any of the children including the boy withSN , but stating that you would be going after an 11 year old with sn will only ever rile people.

Tbh if the class originally found his behaviour 'hysterical' that is more than likely a contributory factor in the lashing out (not that that excuses it).

It gets more wearing with posts like that from RawShark who lump posters with children with sN into some homogeneous mass who are "bitter and vitriolic" because of some unnamed crap they face every day.

I don't face crap every day ..my DD is not in mainstream.

See the individuals behind posts and don't generalise.

"see the individuals behind the posts and don't generalise"

Then don't assume that my family is NT either please. Thank you very much.

..that is a perfect illustration of my point.

I said nothing about your family.

Yet someone did so it must have been me as we both have kids with SN.

Sheesh

Fanjo you post 7 posts down- reread it.

Matilda As far as the correct terminology for schools go, I'm not really sure. DS1 goes to a "specialist school" which is what it specifically is called. Whether or not that is a "correct term" or not, I've not got a clue.

Oinkglitter That's actually a pretty fair summary of it IMO. I suspect the problem, from a government standpoint, is that they've closed down a lot of the specialist schools. If they then reopen them, it's additional funding (more expensive) and more places means more money paid out - which they're loathe to do.

From a more parental standpoint, while I'd like to see more specialist schools and thus more places available to children that need it (and the LA more cooperative in the meantime), my biggest concern is that with more schools being built, I can very easily see the tide turning from inclusion back to "shutting them away from society" by the main population. And creating even more of an us normals vs them kind of mentality - which the government has been fueling to some extent and unfortunately some of the public have been lapping up and spouting in droves.

It definitely needs to be "more places, more choice for more potential" IMO.

Yes.i didn't say that.

I have no idea if your kids have SN.

I do think your posts about attacking an 11 year old are really ignorant especially if you throw PC gorn mad into it, so frankly I would find it surprising, but I didn't assume anything, haven't thought about you in that much depth tbh.

I really hate the "posters with children with SN are so bitter" line, it's so tiresome.

Fanjo I apologise if I expressed myself poorly. I didn't mean this as a "line" or a sweeping generalisation as I try not to assume anything about people's specific circumstances (tried to make this clear by saying please correct my impression if wrong) , it is just the first 12 pages came across as bashing the OP (which IMO can be described as vitriol), which didn't sit well with me, not least because it distracted from more interesting and informed viewpoints. Glad to hear some of those posts have been deleted. I am pleased you do not face masses of crap everyday, a lot of posters (in the first few pages) have implied that lack of tolerance from others is a real issue for them, which is why I mentioned it. If they had not mentioned it then neither would I.

youthecat thank you for your point. It must be wearing and not disputing that. I admire (am I allowed to admire people without being thought patronising? ) anyone with the energy to fight such battles given my DS wears me out and I am in bed by 9pm.

It would be really nice if some people campaigned for making inclusion work too.

There was a lovely thread from someone yesterday about her son being really wonderful with his friend with autism.

My DD is in special school but she is non verbal and needs to learn life skills there..for many bright kids inclusion can work and some campaigning for that instead of separation would be lovely to see IMO.

Well shall we start up a campaign here to do that?