to think this is very disruptive??

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I probably am being unreasonable and am prepared to hear it.
My DD1 has just started secondary school, she is in the "more able class" (this is what its called by the school ).
In this class, of about 20 odd, there is a boy with SN. He has an assistant for every lesson, and from what my DD tells me I guess he must have some form of autism.
But every single day, she is coming home with stories of what "X" has done. Thinks like having tantrum, which takes 20mins to calm down disrupting the lesson, shouting at the teacher, grabbing or hitting another child (and once a teacher), throwing all his books and stuff on the floor (numerous occasions), storming out of lessons etc etc.
Now the kids all seem to think this is hysterical (and great fun that almost every lesson is disrupted by "X"), but every day I am a bit , it just sounds very disruptive, and DD is starting to sound more annoyed than thinking its funny.
She does however say that is is clearly very bright indeed.
I know he has just as much right to be taught, but at the cost of disrupting a whole class of children? AIBU?? I can't quite decide TBH, and so far it doesnt appear to be affecting DD1's abilities, but we are only a term in.

I didn't see this one yesterday and have only read the first few posts and skimmed the rest.

JumpingJackSprat, you're not wrong. There is a glut of anti-inclusion threads at the moment. Must be the time of year for them. It's bloody depressing.

I have seen exclusion panels held over a barrel when a clued up parent has requested assessment after years of insisting the child is neuro typical. Parents paying for independent dyslexia/discalculia/organisational assessments to get their dc an extra 15 minutes in exams, etc. It does go on and it detracts from those who really are in need.

I am so bad at stepping away.

To be honest I am just seeing lots of posts now where people try to word it nicely and sensitively but they do not want the non NT kids there being educated with their kids.

That is the bottom line.

Unless they can act NT or be sat on by a TA all day to keep them in line.

Married you are just coming out with nicer and nicer opinions.

To be honest I am just seeing lots of posts now where people try to word it nicely and sensitively but they do not want the non NT kids there being educated with their kids.

Oh.... apparently I've missed the ones that were nicely and sensitively worded.

I have seen exclusion panels held over a barrel when a clued up parent has requested assessment after years of insisting the child is neuro typical. Parents paying for independent dyslexia/discalculia/organisational assessments to get their dc an extra 15 minutes in exams, etc. It does go on and it detracts from those who really are in need.

Oh FFS. Seriously. Because a parent is going to go to the time and expense to get their child an extra 15 MINUTES on an exam and you think the child doesn't need it IN YOUR OPINION. If the child was NT, then I think most parents would simply spend that time and money on a tutor instead. What a ridiculous statement.

Triggles..yes I said they are trying to word it sensitively...not that they succeeded

Say what now?

You did not seriously just suggest that?

::head desk::

Well my ds is autistic just for a laugh and all the extra resources

Some people have no idea how hard parents of children with additional needs have to work to get listened to in the first place.

so much for me trying to illustrate that point in my previous post.

I thought you illustrated it well.

Mainstream teachers do not get very good training to cope with SEN kids. They get very little prep time, very little assessment time, very little support. In an idel world inclusion would be a great idea. The world is not ideal. Disruptive students... due to SN or just bad behaviour..... DO disrupt lessons. It is almost impossible to have them permenantly removed to a more suitable environment even when all know this is what would be best for the child.

An outstanding teacher or one with superb classroom management skills... Who has a natural ability to empathise & engage with all may well be able to handle this sort of situation. These teachers are rare & with the lack if adequate training & time to consolidate & build on this training, it is unlikely that the majority of teachers will ever be able to deal with these situations. Inclusion can only work if adequate funding, training & support are provided. Currently they are not. This means nobody wins... the SN child loses out the most though.

Keep in mind that teachers are becoming ever more disillusioned & beginning to look at other career options. Soon there will be even fewer teachers capable of dealing with these types of situations.

Teaching. Such an easy job.

Clearly an important one.

Maybe time they and the kids they are in charge of are given the support & recognition they deserve & more is done to encourage the bet people to become teachers. Which means money & desirable working conditions.

Make your voice heard OP. Both the boy & your daughter are being let down.

Of course the really stupid thing is the shortsightedness.

Children with SN need a decent education for all our sakes. Because every tiny step towards independence as adults will save everyone a huge amount of money down the line.

Thnk the lord, my son is at a special school. I am going to care for him as best I can until I die but the cost is huge.
Every single word he learns, every time he manages something alone it reduces incrementally the cost of his care in years/decades to come.

The cost of all these children who are being marginalised under the banner of inclusion is going to create a monstrous bill for the taxpayer down the line.
If people don't genuinely start embracing the idea that inclusion involves all parents working to get schools and LEAs to provide genuine and effective support we are screwed. The thinly veiled 'point at the kid with SN because he's the problem' attitude is going to end up fucking over everyone.

I understand anxiety about our own child. I really do. But the child with SN isn't the problem. Provision and effective support and a dearth of special schools is the problem.

I thought this might be helpful from the This Is My Child Campaign

Myths about parenting children with special needs

The aim of our This Is My Child campaign is good old-fashioned consciousness-raising about what it's like to be the parent of a child with special needs.
It also aims to debunk unhelpful - and incorrect - assumptions about how children with special needs behave - and suggests how we can all challenge those assumptions to help alleviate the stress this places on parents.
With our campaign partners, Every Disabled Child Matters, Contact A Family and Mencap, and with help from the National Autistic Society, we've pulled together six common myths about children with special needs.

MYTH 1: Behaviour disorders are a fashionable excuse for bad behaviour and poor parenting
MYTH 2:If your child has a disability, you're given lots of easily accessible support
MYTH 3:People who get disability-related payments for their children are scroungers
MYTH 4:Language about special needs doesn't matter
MYTH 5:People with autism are unaffectionate geniuses

Grrr. I think the mumsnet server hamsters are asleep again!

Quite, Pagwatch. DS1 has the potential to become a higher rate taxpayer.

He also has the potential to become a very large burden on the taxpayer.

One of those options requires a little investment, over the next decade, but the default option is the one that costs half as much, now, but is likely to cost a great deal more for the next 5 or 6 decades (or more) of his life.

*DS1 has the potential to become a higher rate taxpayer.

He also has the potential to become a very large burden on the taxpayer.*

Actually, I think this is true of all children. It is really the point I was trying to make in my post. Government cuts mean LAs will fight tooth & nail for the cheapest option, not the best option. The best option will be best for all young people, those who need a specialist environment and those who don't. Anything less than that is a short term saving with long term consequences for society.

This thread has really brought a tear to my eye. You would think in an era where sn are being diagnosed more the government would start to invest more money in dc with sn rather than funding free schools in areas where there's already enough school places.

Op Yanbu to want the best education for your dd its what every parent wants. It's not even the end of the first half term the boy needs longer to adjust- it took me till Xmas and I'm nt.

This may sound really stupid and ignorant but I've always thought it would be better if TAs were funded by the lea but employed by the Dcs family so the family could interview and employ who they think can support their dc the best, the dc gets the same TA throughout school, I thought this would make the transition to secondary easier if dc have a familiar presence and someone who knows and understands their triggers.