to think this is very disruptive??

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I probably am being unreasonable and am prepared to hear it.
My DD1 has just started secondary school, she is in the "more able class" (this is what its called by the school ).
In this class, of about 20 odd, there is a boy with SN. He has an assistant for every lesson, and from what my DD tells me I guess he must have some form of autism.
But every single day, she is coming home with stories of what "X" has done. Thinks like having tantrum, which takes 20mins to calm down disrupting the lesson, shouting at the teacher, grabbing or hitting another child (and once a teacher), throwing all his books and stuff on the floor (numerous occasions), storming out of lessons etc etc.
Now the kids all seem to think this is hysterical (and great fun that almost every lesson is disrupted by "X"), but every day I am a bit , it just sounds very disruptive, and DD is starting to sound more annoyed than thinking its funny.
She does however say that is is clearly very bright indeed.
I know he has just as much right to be taught, but at the cost of disrupting a whole class of children? AIBU?? I can't quite decide TBH, and so far it doesnt appear to be affecting DD1's abilities, but we are only a term in.

Work through disruption. Are you mad? What if the teacher is in the middle of explaining the task? And he or she has to stop to deal with the disruption? The task doesn't get explained, the children don't know how to do it and time is wasted. Or the teacher or TA is working with a small group, clarifying information and, you know, teaching. And they have to stop and deal with the disruption. It's not fair and nobody benefits.

Schools work best when the majority are on board with its purpose. That way and that way only can the needs of the individual be met. If you start with the individual, particularly with the disruptive individual, nobody benefits.

It shouldn't have to get this heated.

The question is: AIBU to think this is very disruptive.

The answer is: YANBU but it's not necessarily about the child.

The fairest, only, way to view this situation is that X is not having his needs met. It doesn't mean that the school is in the wrong, necessarily. The school will only just have met X and may need some time to come up with a better plan. It may be that the way X presented in Primary school was different and he isn't coping with the Secondary system, yet.

It may take another few weeks to get things settled.

It's not unreasonable of the OP to be unsettled by the effect this may have on her DD, either. She has a right to an efficient education. An efficient education is not one which is disrupted and half the lesson is lost.

The problem with this thread is that the disruption is being attributed to the boy himself and not the provision he has been given.

DD1 was highly disruptive in MS preschool, despite 1:1. Now, in special school she is considered a 'dream child' and a SW actually said 'I wonder why she's at SS?' The reason for that is that her needs are being met, so she doesn't react as she used to.

Khaleese, I know more NT children who steal and lie than children with additional needs.

How very judgemental. DO you realise with some care and understanding from classmates and staff, most children in mainstream can achieve well.

I have reported that post too, Khaleese. I'm appalled at your hurtful and inaccurate generalisation.

but are the children with SEN having their needs met?
This is usually what is discussed when the idea is to move those with additional needs out of mainstream education.
The answer is, in the majority of cases, yes.

Report KHaleese as that was just beyond the pale.

I wish MN didn't delete reported posts, just commented underneath them that they break T&C, so everyone can see what arsey comments some people make.

Pagwatch, I wasn't referring to you at all and I'm sorry if you thought I was.

Whenever there's a thread on here about private schools there are a hell of a lot of people who say they would send their children to a private school if they had the money. I was just trying to point out they were hoping for something that the OP was hoping for too. The OP's daughter's classroom situation didn't seem to be benefiting anyone and I don't think she was being unreasonable.

I think Khaleese was trying to say that SN is a red herring - any disruption would be a concern for her. Badly worded, but there you go.

I think that you are only a few weeks into Y7 - as is this boy. For NT kids transition is traumatic, throw in SN and it's going to take time for him to get used to the school, and for them to manage his needs.

It does sound like the school are doing all they can at this point. I bet things will settle down.

Whoah, Khaleese. That was a disgusting post to make, most definitely reported.

It's ok Imperial.
I understand the point you were making.

If he is autistic, getting to grips with all the change of a new school could be quite a big thing. Will take time.

If he has an assistant, they will be taking the brunt of any disruptive behaviour. If lessons are truly being disrupted constantly, it's best to raise the issue with the head. All the children including the boy with SN will need a more productive environment.

I think it's ridiculous to expect kids to work through disruption by the way.

I think the boys needs are not being met. The other students needs are not being met either. Im sure with a little thought there will be a win win solution. May involve thinking out of the box though!

khaleese you do realise that you have done serious misconceptions don't you?
I have also reported that horrible outburst.

The things people think are acceptable. Shouting out. Shouting out!!! When another child is talking? Or the teacher is talking? No way. It won't work.

Me too.

I wonder whether the boy is having difficulties because every class is held in a different room in secondary school. I know the ASD students I teach are always concerned about the class being held in the same room at exactly the same time; I was told quite firmly by one girl that she didn't like change and it would set her back if we changed rooms. I have to admit I panicked inside because my boss is a bugger for changing rooms round during the first half term.

one of my close friends has a ds with autism. Having seen him through primary school he now does not believe in inclusion. Although his son is very bright he is non verbal and has a wide range of what they call behaviours that need constantly channelling and dealing with . As thjis friend says " what use is it teaching him advanced maths if he can't ask for a drink of water?" he is now looking at secondary schools and despairing.

All he wants for his son is that he shold be able to take care of his basic needs - to be verbal enough to articulate when he feels unwell and to be able to look after eventaully his own hygeine and domestic needs. " Do I want him learning french and scienece?" Of course not - I want him in a special school which will try and teach him essential life skills as well as how to try for form some basic relationships and respond to peoople.

He says inclusion is bound to fail as the autistic child is in an environment at all day which is not exclusivbely catering for their needs and is therefore frustatring and counter productive.

This boy is currently in my dd's class and goes to school maybe one qarter of the day assisted by a specailist hleper. He says it was easier when his son was young and he went to school for most of the day but now it is getting less and less as he finds the evironment harder and harder. I have to say howver thta the class were brilliant with him - he was invited to all parties and he attended most with his parents or a helper. He was always included in games and school shows and other activities and all the other children genuinely - and I mean genuinely - love him and understand his difficulties. I have never ever heard the children say one bad word about him ( lathough they say plenty about eachother!)

Thank you. My point is that shouting out will disrupt teaching and learning.

Damnit, my dd has Aspergers, Tourettes, Echolalia. She did get A for her GCSEs, should I ensure she is removed from her current classroom nfk the one in which she will probably get A for her A levels, too?