Why do you think behaviour in schools is so much worse than even 10 yrs ago.

[soul2000]

This is not a joke thread. I am generally interested as to how much the standard of behaviour has deteriated in the last 25 years since i left school.

What amazes me, is that teachers are not shocked when watching programes like educating yorkshire, that just shows how bad the behaviour of some pupils is.

Another shocking thing is that pupils who in my time would have been labeled a menace "ME INCLUDED" are now seen as upstanding pupils.

How has the standard fallen so far and what can be done to re address the balance.

This thread is in support of teachers.

"Do they allow pupils with SNs to disrupt lessons?"

They don't disrupt lessons because they are properly supported and the school is fully inclusive - therefore meeting there needs.

Did you not read the part of my post where I point out this school has exceptionally low levels of exclusion? If pupils were disruptive they would either be being excluded or failing to achieve. Neither is the case, not because these pupils who have SNs are any different than those in state schools, but because they are properly supported and enabled to achieve their potential.

"And you're perfectly happy to sacrifice the children with disabilities and special needs in order to achieve this?"
Yes, because I believe their sacrifice is far less than the sacrifice we are currently allowing with gifted children not being allowed to fulfill their potential.

Vile. Just vile.

What if they are disruptive but only sometimes. Like when reasonable adjustments are not made for their additional needs?

Doris..give over..no real genuine poster would actually spout such shite.

You think our children are more worth sacrificing than yours? Righto.

Wouldn't just be shitstirring would you?

Well I suppose it is the innocent who are sacrificed. Christ only had to die once for us though.

My kids are neither "gifted" or disruptive. Just average kids who I want the best for. Is there something wrong with that?

Possibly not...there are some pretty sick people around with extreme views like those I suppose.

I wouldnt wipe my arse on them though.

Dont feed Doris people

There will be talk of the 'deserving poor' next.

A couple of years ago someone on the SN board linked to a pub-med article which concluded that emotional / social intelligence was a bigger indicator of future success than I.Q.

There are a lot of gifted but written-off children who could have done with some compassionate modelling going on in the the education system...

lol Fanjo... I've grown tired of having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent....

... aaand that's me done. I see little point in engaging with someone who has just effectively stated that children with SNs are worth less than other children.

Every child is precious, every child deserves to be fully supported, to have their needs met and be enabled to meet their potential - whether they be gifted and/or have SNs, are an average grade student or struggle in some areas.

Your views are abhorrent and disablist, you clearly aren't going to change them and I have more important things to do than sit here banging my head against a brick wall.

Yep, she's only posted today, according to her history, so I'd say this is just someone playing for attention. She's had some now, hopefully she'll just go away now. Preferably quietly.

No discipline problems at all at my bog standard comp. However, we are tiny, remote and rural and the pupils are all lovely. Even the hardest nuts can be cracked in a lovely school. We are all very relaxed, wor is done, the school is very close knit and there really are no problems. I have told one child off in weeks and that was for knocking on the staffroom door and then knocking again without waiting for an answer. She was mortified.

It can be done but it takes a small, tight knit community and a calm, relaxed atmosphere. Pm me if you want to move.....

PolterGoose, I think you've cracked it

I'd say this is just someone playing for attention.
tch... can't we bin disruptive posters for the benefit of everyone else?

if you remove all the more difficult children from school, many of whom are gifted, Doris's mediocre children have a greater chance of success

Well there's a post that's full of love for the little children who are apparently all equal.

'Mediocre' - not what i'd class as a nice word when talking about children either

Doris, the haves have shown themselves to be remarkably able at maintaining their advantages. If you really believe that a talented and able "have not" will always triumph over a less able "have", then I pity your naivety.

A rather sad recent report ( sorry, can't find it but it came out this year), showed that for "bog standards comp" students going to Oxbridge, when it came to the jobs afterwards, the "haves" still came out on top, due to social connections.

Hello all

Thanks for (mostly ) remaining restrained in the face of what was, we're afraid, a returning troll.

Just to clarify: disablism is against our Talk Guidelines. And we do include in that posts implying that people with additional needs should somehow be segregated from the rest of society.

And just once more for anyone who fancies a read: 'This Is My Child Myth 1: behavioural excuses are just an excuse for bad behaviour and poor parenting'.

The number of posters on this site saying things like, 'I don't think my child should have to ask to drink water during lessons' (recent example) and constantly questioning what's done in schools (which are places in which large numbers of children have to be managed, and not the poster's cosy front room) should give you some idea of what teachers face. So many people think that their child has to be treated differently from other people's children. Other children need to be punished; theirs is a special case and was 'having a bad day that day'.