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To stand up and give Sinead O'Connor a round of applause

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Fifilosttheplot · 03/10/2013 15:15

Not something that would normally happen at Maison Fifi but in this case I think it is richly deserved for her open letter to Miley Cyrus. I know Sinead is no stranger to courting publicity but with this one I think she is bang on the money www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24382051

Actually, I'd like to print some of the comments about being worth more than your body or sex appeal out and hand them out to some of the secondary school girls going past my gate on a morning.

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EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 04/10/2013 21:44

^what sinister said, basically. I don't see it as two forms of 'expressing sexuality' because I doubt miley is genuinely expressing her sexuality without a large amount of nudging, encouragement and validation from people who stand to make money from her sexuality and don't have her interests at heart.

SeaSickSal · 04/10/2013 21:45

Oh, incidentally SinisterSal, is it Mumsnet etiquette to dictDate to people what their usernames should be? Is there some kind of rule that names must not share syllables?

Basically you're trying to pull rank because you've been on here longer because for some reason you think posting longer on a web forum makes you special. It doesn't.

Lots of people are called Sally. Get over it. How do you cope if you meet someone called Sal in real life? Do you demand they change it by deed poll if they're younger than you? What if they're older than you? Does your head implode in some kind of existential crisis?

Being cross because someone has a slightly similar but very different name to you is so pathetic it would be unbecoming in a six year old.

Grow up.

sinistersal · 04/10/2013 21:47

You're misrepresenting what I said.

I'm sure you know that.

Simmer down, why don't you.

SeaSickSal · 04/10/2013 21:47

Right. So Miley Cyrus is somehow incapable of making decisions on her own.

From what I've seen she is an extremely forthright young woman who has been in the industry for years and is well connected including family already in the business.

Can it not just be possible that a young woman can make her own decision to express her own sexuality in particular way? Madonna did it and I didn't see anyone clutching their pearls over that.

Nor did I see Madonna protesting when Donna Summer released a record because she'd misappropriated syllable of her name.

SeaSickSal · 04/10/2013 21:49

I'm not the person following someone round the board posting 'we're not the same person' every time they post or demanding people change their username because I have the sensibilities of an overtired six year old.

sinistersal · 04/10/2013 21:50

I think ....think! I've just been compared to Madonna!

Erroneously, mind - but let's not spoil the buzz!

Whatever next?

sinistersal · 04/10/2013 21:54

Get over it SSS. You are making yourself look daft as a brush. Which suits me fine btw, I was just concerned with confusion but that is seeming less an less likely now

The following allegation is just bizarre Confused though I think you did write something daft on a thread we were both on - quite a while ago, now - and I clarified the point then too.

nonsense.

MacaYoniandCheese · 04/10/2013 21:56

I think there is room for more than one 'Sal' lay-dees. I didn't even notice the Sal bit until you mentioned it...

Miley is 20. She's a baby still. I think she should graciously accept and ponder all the advice she's been getting from mature women (solicited or otherwise).

filee777 · 04/10/2013 22:13

There is definitely room for more than one 'sal' on a huge website dedicated to mums. Seriously! Grow up!

ArgyMargy · 04/10/2013 22:21

Don't you mean SeaSickSteve? But anyway, can't you two take it outside - this thread is not all about you. Ta.

sinistersal · 04/10/2013 22:21

What happens when people have similar sounding names, especially when people often name change to names like their own ifkwim -
Normally it's pointed out, there's a discussion, not always a namechange - doesn't really matter. It's normally quite civilised.

But there isn't usually a big fat Fuck Off straight away. Confused

I'm already grown up!

filee777 · 04/10/2013 22:23

I have exactly the same name as a girl on my course at uni, I feel absolutely no need standing up and informing everyone that she is not me. Have a bit more faith in my convictions than that.

sinistersal · 04/10/2013 22:25

Different situation Filee. You probably have different faces, for a start, for differentiation purposes!

But this is boring.

I reacted to being told to fuck off and insulted I suppose.

SeaSickSal · 04/10/2013 22:27

MacaYoni I don't really think it's really the kind of advice you can take graciously.

Although the first letter paid lip service to being motherly advice O'Connor repeatedly used language which referred to Miley being a pimped and prostituted whore. She carried on using the same language all the way through the various letters.

To be honest if someone posted an open letter to me on a website which was essentially calling me a whore because of the clothes I wore and the way I danced I wouldn't be best pleased either.

I don't think it was particularly feminist of O'Connor to speak about a young woman in those terms.

Anyway it happens in every generation, probably has been since Lady Godiva rode naked through Coventry. In my day it was Madonna, I bet some of the people complaining about Miley were big fans of Madonna back when she was doing the same thing. And in 20 years time girls who love Miley Cyrus now will be clutching their pearls at some young girl dancing round the stage in her knickers that their daughters like when they've completely forgotten what it's like to be young and want to be outrageous.

filee777 · 04/10/2013 22:27

I don't on Facebook, very easy to confuse us I suppose, but I still wouldn't feel the need to comment on every post she makes to 'ensure' people knew it wasn't me.

If I did that, I would expect to be told to fuck off. It's a bit stalker and weird. You are expecting someone to name change for your benefit. Grow some perspective if you've already 'grown up'

AnaisHendricks · 04/10/2013 22:28

I have had a PM from someone who realised that her new name was very similar to mine, apologising and asking if it was okay.

I once messaged someone when I realised that my new name was too close to theirs. She said, "it's fine - thanks for asking"

That's what should happen.

filee777 · 04/10/2013 22:30

Fair enough if she's called 'sinisterAl' or something but she's not, the names are completely different.

It's a big website that will attract lots of people called Sal (and probably Fi too) get over it.

SeaSickSal · 04/10/2013 22:31

Sinistersal can you just bloody leave it? You quite pompously tried to pull rank and intimidate me because you've been on here longer than me.

You deserved to be told to fuck off, I was standing up for myself against someone who was being incredibly unreasonable and rude. You had no right to tell me that I shouldn't use the name Sal. If you throw your weight around like that for no good reason then you shouldn't be surprised if you get told to fuck off.

I have never, ever seen anybody demanding that someone change their username because it has the same common name in it. Fuck off is the only correct response to someone who is behaving in such a tosserish fasion.

sinistersal · 04/10/2013 22:32

Oh leave it alone Filee, this whole thing has totally escalated Confused

For the record I haven't followed anyone around the boards - 1/2 comments isn't following, fgs. Am I allowed clarify that without being told to fuck off and told I'm pathetic etc?

Jesus.

Anais - I agree

SeaSickSal · 04/10/2013 22:33

If it's Anais I could understand. But Sal is a common name.

A quick google shows there are probably hundreds of people who have Sal as part of their username on here.

It's quite clearly a different username. And Sal is actually my bloody name, I'm not messaging some jumped up twit who thinks that they own mumsnet to ask permission to use my own name.

filee777 · 04/10/2013 22:34

No Sal, I will not allow this ridiculous elitist crap to go on and not say something about it!

Who the fuck are you to tell someone to change their username? Or post after them saying 'hey guys it's not me saying that' your not fucking Bono, get a grip, nobody cares who you are.

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sinistersal · 04/10/2013 22:35

I didn't DEMAND SSS.

Let's make that clear. That is what usually happens but I didn't demand it, don't pull that shit. I totally didn't expect all this

Deserve to be told to fuck off? Standing up for yourself? Hmm

Let it go - you are being quite aggressive here. I'm out anyway

sinistersal · 04/10/2013 22:36

Jesus!

i didn't demand it! Or even suggest it.

Elitist my arse, Filee, come on. This is crazy

ArgyMargy · 04/10/2013 22:37

Er, thread derail? Grin