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AIBU?

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to actually not get why SIL has stopped talking to us since DS was born

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Zara1984 · 02/10/2013 13:49

DH, his parents and his siblings are scattered across the globe. We used to be very very close to his sister. Regular calls, texts, emails and visits.

Since DS was born a year ago she wants nothing to do with us. We used to Skype her monthly and email more regularly than that, and we've heard nothing from her since DS was about 4 months old, aside from the occasional "like" of a picture I post on FB. I email her photos (copying in other family members, friends etc) and ask how she's going. She runs her own business which hasn't been doing so well over the past few years but she used to talk about it with us and we tried our best to support her. I would go in and help her out at work when I visited her.

She and her DP live the fab/hip/cool/edgy life in a trendy city. She's late 30s but has said she's not sure whether/when she will have kids, so I don't think she's jealous of us having DS or anything like that. A couple of her friends have had children recently and she slags them off a bit for moving to the suburbs/not wanting to come out anymore. I'm not a complete new-mum bore I think - I mean I do post photos fairly regularly on FB (2-3 times a month) and email more personal photos round to close family and friends including her. But I'm not one of those forever-updating-about-PFB-types.

When DS was very young we went back home and she came to visit us with her DP, but she spent most of the time working and not wanting to hold DS or do anything with him. She kept calling him "it" instead of his name and it was a bit annoying really. But overall it seemed like a good holiday, when she wasn't working we did get to do stuff together and it was fun. I just don't understand why she's so quiet now? I just can't get through to her. DMIL has said TBH it's just like what DSIL does to her - no replies to emails, calls are very rare (couple of times a year etc).

It makes me sad Sad and I have given up emailing her to set up Skype dates because she never gets back to me. She doesn't reply to DH's few emails either - although it's always been me that was the one setting up Skype dates etc. He's annoyed at her but is a bit like "that's just what DSIL is like". I don't only want to talk about DS to her and bore her with kid stuff, I want to hear about her life, what she's doing, her work, all the stuff we used to talk about. I am worried about her because from what I hear through DPILs her biz isn't going well and DH and I would like to just be there for her and listen, even from a distance.

AIBU to not understand this at all???? Or more precisely, is she BU or am I BU and should just expect this as part and parcel of having kids ie people don't feel like they have anything in common with you anymore? I know it's hard when you're separated by distance too, but I keep in touch with friends in other countries quite regularly (monthly/bi-monthly skypes etc) so it's not THAT hard....

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BeetleBugBaby · 02/10/2013 13:51

Maybe she says she doesn't know when she wants them, but may actually have fertility issues? I would let the matter drop tbh.

FrankelInFoal · 02/10/2013 13:52

Could it be that she does want children but is unable/struggling to conceive?

Whilst not an excuse to cut contact I completely understand how painful it is to face other peoples children when all you want is one of your own.

Zara1984 · 02/10/2013 13:56

I had thought of that - ie she is struggling to conceive etc - but she and her DP honestly just did not (when we last saw them) have any interest/seemed at all like they wanted kids? I know you can never know what's really going in people's lives etc but it really seemed like the farthest thing from her mind.

Her DP pretty much recoiled when I would occasionally hand DS to him, as in "WTF do I do with this thing"

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TeenAndTween · 02/10/2013 13:56

She's late 30s but has said she's not sure whether/when she will have kids, so I don't think she's jealous of us having DS or anything like that

My immediate reaction, same as your first 2 responders, is that she wants children but is having problems conceiving. From personal experience, that can be very difficult to cope with.

barkingtreefrog · 02/10/2013 14:00

I agree with the other replies. I've been ttc #1 for 2 years and have recently had a mc. SiL has just had their second. I can't face them. We did the obligatory visit when baby was born but it was very difficult. It wasn't common knowledge until recently that we were ttc, it's not something you feel like discussing when you're struggling. You say MiL finds the same problem, but if your problems with her only started after the birth of DP it seems too much of a coincidence to be honest.

Zara1984 · 02/10/2013 14:00

If she did want children but was having fertility problems, and finds talking to us/seeing pictures of DS to be painful etc, I wish she would just tell us. I would have no problem not sending her pics, skyping when DS asleep etc if that would help her. I thought she and I had the kind of close relationship where she'd tell me that sort of thing Sad I would try my best to suppport her Sad

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MirandaGoshawk · 02/10/2013 14:01

Envy.

Zara1984 · 02/10/2013 14:01

I'm sorry about your mc barking Thanks

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Zara1984 · 02/10/2013 14:04

But as you can imagine I don't want to ask her outright if that's the case ... because if it isn't you can just imagine how terribly that would come across!! No way can you raise that sort of thing unless the person concerned tells you first!

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FrankelInFoal · 02/10/2013 14:05

Having fertility problems is a very personal matter. We told no one until we had to (I needed an op) and even then kept it to the bare minimum.

Having fertility issues makes you feel like "less of a woman", at least that is how I felt. You don't want to talk to other people about it as it is just too upsetting.

bonzo77 · 02/10/2013 14:05

Either she's a bobber. Or she is having problems conceiving / knows she can't have children and everything about your DS makes her die a little bit inside. Either way let her be. You won't change her, and if it's the latter you'll be making things worse for her.

bonzo77 · 02/10/2013 14:05

Bobber?! nobber. FFS

LaurieFairyCake · 02/10/2013 14:06

I'm not sure it's envy or struggling conceiving

I think it's possible she thinks you will only talk about your kid Wink

Why would she be interested in holding him when she visits?

fuzzpig · 02/10/2013 14:07

I hadn't thought of fertility problems but I also immediately thought that "doesn't really want kids" type thing is a cover and that maybe her DH doesn't but she does (probably coloured by the fact I've seen several thread titles to that effect lately)

Or maybe it is true and she is so genuinely anti-kids that she just doesn't want to be friends with those with children. I've drifted apart from childless friends, it is a shame but it happens when you want different things out of life.

barkingtreefrog · 02/10/2013 14:07

Doesn't matter how close you are, if this is the issue, the last person she is likely to confide in is someone who is pg/has a baby. Nothing personal to you. I don't talk to my best and closest friend about it very much as she has two children and didn't struggle to conceive either of them. She just hasn't got a clue what I'm going through.

ps I meant birth of DS not DP....

Zara1984 · 02/10/2013 14:08

Sad if it is that then I wish she would tell me - even though for the reasons people have said I know she probably won't - because I would do anything, anything, to help her. I'd fly over to visit her and hold her hand and give her a massive hug.

But if it's NOT that and she just doesn't want to be involved with DS then that would make me Angry

I don't know what to think really. Or to do. I would bad for assuming it's fertility issues, though, if that makes sense?

Do I keep reaching out or do I just leave it?

It's DS' first birthday in a few weeks and I wish she would even just email us to say happy birthday.

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YoniMitchell · 02/10/2013 14:09

I also agree with the other posters. DH and I have had a lot of fertility issues (IVF, miscarriages...), and I personally found avoiding putting myself in situations where I was 'confronted' by babies (including SILs apparently popping them out with ease), was the only way I could cope with my grief at our own situation.

The timing sounds like this is quite a likely scenario to me.

BTW - It's not always easy talking to people about fertility problems - I didn't speak to my SILs about it and we're all pretty close.

MrsCakesPremonition · 02/10/2013 14:09

I think you need to give her some options "Would you prefer to Skype when DS is in bed?"; "I realise I've been sending out lots of DS pics even if it isn't that many, are you OK with that?"
She can decide what she wants to do, and if she feels she'd like less DS "stuff" then you can gently ask her for more info.

TBH I suspect she is either actively trying for a child herself, or is coming to terms with potentially being childless. It is possible that her DH isn't really interested in children himself, in which case she could be in quite a lonely place. And I speak from experience that it is very hard to unburden yourself to the very person who seems to have all things you hope for (a supportive husband, a child, a family) even if you love them and they are a good friend.

Suelford · 02/10/2013 14:09

IME parents, new ones especially, vastly overestimate how interesting their children are as a topic of conversation, especially to people without them. She may just not be interested in you now that you've changed.

Zara1984 · 02/10/2013 14:10

Laurie she came over to visit us to see him especially! And he's her first and only nephew. DH was very Hmm

I meant to say I feel bad/guilty for assuming it's fertility issues.

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YoniMitchell · 02/10/2013 14:13

A few cross-posts, but speaking to someone with a baby about the pain of not being able to have one, is not something that factored high on my list of things to do.

I think you need to leave it and if she wants to speak to you about any issues she's having (assuming this is the point), then it sounds like you have the kind of relationship where she knows she can talk to you if she wants.

OTOH, it may just be that she's just not interested in babies and your DS - harsh as it sounds to you.

Grennie · 02/10/2013 14:13

Maybe it is nothing to do with you having children. Maybe she is having a really bad time and is so depressed or anzious she can't bear speaking to anyone at the moment. I would try and find out first if she is okay

MooncupGoddess · 02/10/2013 14:13

It's possible that she has complex feelings about children... maybe she is getting schtick from people for being childless. Maybe all her friends have had children recently and she is bored of the subject. Maybe she feels (however irrationally) rejected by you and your DP because your focus is on your DS now and she feels you're less interested in her.

Difficult situation.

Zara1984 · 02/10/2013 14:17

Grennie that is what I am concerned about. Her biz was in a very bad way last time I heard, and last time we spoke to her. I was listening to her/helping her unload about the major problems when I last saw her.

So of course she may well just be very busy with all of that. But not one Skype, not one email in 7 months +.

TBH unless she's having fertility issues/reconciling the idea of not having kids - I think it's pretty poor form not to speak to someone anymore because they have a child. I mean it's not like you've turned into a war criminal or something.

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quoteunquote · 02/10/2013 14:17

Her DP pretty much recoiled when I would occasionally hand DS to him, as in "WTF do I do with this thing"

Maybe her partner has said he doesn't want children, and she is coming to terms with what that means to her.