EDL....

[DandyFloss]

I am a regular who has name changed for this thread.

I would like to have a discussion about EDL. I want to know exactly why people find them so abhorrent and why it is such a taboo subject.

I dislike militant Islam, it is a dangerous movement and it really frightens me. A family friend was killed in 9/11 and it was a horrible horrible tragedy.

I have two mixed race children, my DH is mixed race, I would not say I'm racist or xenophobic.

As far as I can gather EDL oppose militant Islam, and this alone.

Why does this make them racist? Surely militant Islam, although a very small proportion of Islam, should be opposed?

We already have sharia courts operating in the UK.

Where?

PS. I regularly get Christians preaching at me (JWs, Mormons, old ladies at work....) - but I wouldn't start a 'Latara Defence League'!

No Muslim has ever tried to preach at me btw.

I do wish you would read the thread Flossie I am well aware of the actions of the IRA - I was abused for most of my childhood and teens for being Irish ...

If you think Irish breakaway IRA extremists no longer pose a threat you are very ill informed

Yes, and we have the Beth Din.

And that's fine. The law of the land still prevails, those are for civil matters.

it must be so dreadfully tiring to be in a constant state of panic about something that isn't happening.

AdventureTed: for all your talk about the so-called "massive problem" of extremist Islamists, were you aware that Islamic terrorist attacks comprised less than 1% of all terrorist attacks in Europe in recent years?

I'm surprised by the number of racists on here today. And saddened.

So all the rich mozlems live in Goldwick in Oldham and they're all carrying around large amounts of cash in bags on their person?

People the economy has not gone to pot, all the money is concentrated in a corner of Manchester (with all the mozlems).

Adventure Ted, out of curiousity did you buy loads of that salesman? (just asking).

My parents live in a very ultra orthodox Jewish area, they regularly get (Jewish -not Mozlamic) people knocking on the door offering to buy their house.
And what?

nennypops that is the point I tried to make in a more roundabout way. Europe does not have a problem with any religious extremism compared to Africa and Asia which have massive problems.

Sharia 'courts' do operate - they have done for years - they simply use Muslim civil 'law' to solve civil disputes - all Muslims have the choice to use British Civil Law as well - some choose the less formal route

It will never and can never replace criminal law - or indeed any law - should a Muslim not want to use Sharia court they are under no obligation to do so

It's a none issue

I've done many things which are against Sharia law, many of them when living in a largely Muslim area, I have never ever had anyone try to punish me according to Sharia law. Not too worried that anyone ever will tbh.

Been out for a few hours.. Came back and its great to see that common sense and tolerant people out number the small minded bigots. It is sad though to read some of the crap been spouted by less than a handful of people.

What happened to the Op? Has she gone into hiding?

And the EDL are fascist. Fact.

Please google sharia courts in the UK. We are letting down muslim women, who often feel obliged to attend and abide by their decisions.

My ex mil used to regularly have people putting cash offers in letters and putting them through her letterbox because her house was in a sought after area.

These were estate agents. They are scary.

No. You show me some links to these supposed Sharia courts. They will not be binding courts in our law if they even exist.

You Now that is scary

I think estate agents are more of a risk definitely

Muslim women often go to the shariah council to obtain divorce.

My friend got her's in about 24 hours, the legal english divorce took her a year as her ex was being an arse hole.

YourCat we should march against them...

and often get a better result please lets NOT go down the 'all Muslim women are repressed little flowers in need of protection' route

The Christian churches aren't known for their pro women stance you know

Can we march against the bankers whilst we're at it?

they do youthecat they are like informal dispute solving hearings rather than formal courts

Plenty of non-MUslim and Muslim women feel oppressed by their partners and by their communities. That's what feminism and women's movements and charities are for. NOT the EDL.

Sharia courts operate in the same way Beit Din courts do. They are not legally binding in the UK.

So not legally binding by our law then? Not recognised in law?